To those who have had students shadow them as part of vacation schemes...
- By g.hoiyan28
- Vacation Schemes Discussion
- 2 Replies
...what traits/qualities/attitudes did you appreciate? Did they do anything in particular that impressed you?
I'm an upper sixth student applying for work experience at a mid-sized firm that I'd like to work at in the future, so I'd like to leave a good impression
Please let me know if this isn't the right topic to be posting under!
I'm an upper sixth student applying for work experience at a mid-sized firm that I'd like to work at in the future, so I'd like to leave a good impression
Please let me know if this isn't the right topic to be posting under!
WHAT ARE THEY? First-Year Schemes, Vacation Schemes, Training Contracts
- By Amma Usman
- Applications Discussion
- 4 Replies
Starting Remarks
One of the greatest assets an individual can possess is access to information. A commonly understated but critical step in career progression is doing extensive research before diving into applications. Another key element is actively seeking out conversations with professionals - people who are specialised in their fields, who understand the process inside out, and who can provide valuable insights.
I say this from personal experience. When I was in my first year, I didn’t fully grasp how the progression from first-year schemes to vacation schemes (VS), to training contracts (TCs) worked. I wasn’t aware of eligibility criteria or the strategic ways to approach applications. I even applied for direct training contracts as a first-year, not realising I didn’t meet the educational requirements to progress in the process. This resulted in wasted time - time that could have been better spent if I had simply been more informed.
I don’t want anyone else to waste their time on things that can easily be fixed with the right information. That’s why I created this simple guide to explain the very basics of first-year schemes, vacation schemes, and training contracts - what they are, which firms offer them, and how to approach them strategically to maximise your chances of securing a role at a top law firm.
1. First-Year Schemes (Insight Schemes)
What is a First-Year Scheme?
A first-year scheme (also called an insight scheme) is a short programme designed to introduce first-year university students to a law firm. These schemes are not just an opportunity to learn about the firm, but also a way to make a strong first impression early on in your legal career. Typically, these schemes were offered to first-year law and second-year non-law students. Though, now more firms are increasingly offering them to first-year non-law students too.
These schemes typically include:
- Workshops on key legal skills (e.g., commercial awareness, negotiation).
- Networking sessions with trainees, associates, and partners.
- Case studies and group exercises to develop practical legal skills.
- Application guidance for future vacation schemes and training contracts.
Some Firms That Offer First-Year Schemes:
Clifford Chance (SPARK Scheme), Linklaters, Freshfields, Slaughter and May, and so on.
Duration:
Most first-year schemes are short - typically 2-5 days long, either in spring or summer.
Strategic Approach to First-Year Schemes:
Applying for first-year schemes strategically can significantly boost your chances of securing a vacation scheme or training contract later. Some firms, such as Clifford Chance’s SPARK scheme, offer a direct fast-track to an assessment centre. This means that if you secure a place on such schemes, you bypass early-stage assessments for the vacation scheme, giving some advantage through building a prior raport with the firm.
Important Note:
This is in no way the only approach, as I have seen many people succeed without. If you don’t secure a place on one, or you attend a scheme that doesn’t fast-track you to a later stage, that’s completely fine. The experience, insight, and intel you gain from these schemes (and even open days (both virtual and in-person)) are still incredibly valuable when applying for vacation schemes/ TCs later on.
2. Vacation Schemes (VS)
What is a Vacation Scheme?
A vacation scheme (VS) is a structured internship at a law firm, usually aimed at penultimate-year law students, final-year non-law students, graduates, and so on. There is the presumption that a vacation scheme is often the main route to securing a training contract, as firms recruit most of their future trainees from their VS cohorts. However, there is a thread here on TCLA which discusses this in more depth: https://www.thecorporatelawacademy....eme-vs-direct-tc-applications-2024-2025.9147/.
Vacation schemes typically include:
- Working in different practice areas (e.g., corporate, litigation).
- Attending networking events and socials.
- Participating in case studies and presentations.
- Completing real legal work for clients.
- Formal assessment (interviews, group exercises, or written tasks).
Firms That Offer Vacation Schemes: Several firms do, such as; Clifford Chance, Linklaters, Freshfields, A&O Shearman, Slaughter and May, Latham & Watkins, Kirkland & Ellis, Gibson Dunn, Skadden, Ashurst, Herbert Smith Freehills, Hogan Lovells, CMS .
Duration:
Most vacation schemes last 1-3 weeks, usually held in the winter, spring, or summer.
Why Are Vacation Schemes Important?
- Many firms assess candidates for a training contract during the vacation scheme.
- Performing well on a VS often leads to a training contract offer.
- You experience real legal work and assess whether the firm is a good fit for you.
3. Training Contracts (TCs)
What is a Training Contract?
A training contract (TC) is a two-year structured training programme that graduates complete at a law firm before qualifying as a solicitor. During the TC, trainees rotate through different "seats" (practice areas) every six months, gaining experience in different legal departments. Six months in four seats is a common route among firms, though some firms such as Freshfields, have an eight-seat training contract.
For most firms, prior to starting a training contract, one needs to complete the SQE after studying a law degree. For those with non-law degrees, the PGDL usually needs to be completed before starting the SQE.
What Does a Training Contract Involve?
- Roughly four "seats" in different departments (e.g., corporate, finance, dispute resolution).
- Supervised work under experienced lawyers.
- Client exposure and networking opportunities.
- International and client secondments (at some firms).
Firms That Offer Training Contracts:
Several do, such as Linklaters, Clifford Chance, Freshfields, Sidley Austin, etc.
Duration:
A training contract usually lasts two years before qualification.
Deadline Trackers at TCLA:
Vacation Schemes - https://www.thecorporatelawacademy....4-25-with-rolling-non-rolling-checklist.8957/
Training Contracts - https://www.thecorporatelawacademy....lines-2024-25-training-starting-in-2027.9085/
First-Year Schemes - https://www.thecorporatelawacademy.com/forum/threads/first-year-scheme-deadlines-2024-25.9090/
Open Days - https://www.thecorporatelawacademy....ay-and-insight-scheme-deadlines-2024-25.9218/
Final Remarks:
I hope this guide has been useful and has provided you all with some clarity and support. If there's anything more you'd like to explore or if you need any further assistance, don't hesitate to get in touch via the comments!
Generative AI for applications
- By trainee4u
- General Discussion
- 1 Replies
I use OpenAI's API playground (https://platform.openai.com/playground/chat) as I like the pay-as-you-go model.
Currently pricing:
The three 4 models do the same thing: generate text, however the 4o mini is the least sophisticated model.
There is also
There is also
copilot.microsoft.com
and Copilot within MS Office
The free GPT uses 4o mini, as does copilot website. If you click 'think deeper' you will get o3-mini.
I gave the models the same prompt:
"Why have you chosen to apply for a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires Solicitors LLP? What sets us apart from the other firms you have applied to? (250 words)"
This was Copilot's output (230 words):
Devonshires Solicitors LLP stands out due to its unique combination of specialized expertise and a reputation for fostering strong client relationships. I am particularly drawn to the firm's emphasis on social housing and public sector law, which aligns with my personal values and aspirations to make a tangible impact on communities. The firm’s focus on long-term client collaboration, as opposed to merely transactional relationships, showcases a commitment to understanding clients' needs and delivering tailored solutions—a value I deeply resonate with.
Additionally, the firm’s smaller size, compared to larger, more corporate firms, offers the opportunity for hands-on experience, closer mentoring, and a more personal connection to the work and team. Devonshires’ inclusive and approachable culture, as highlighted in employee testimonials and awards, demonstrates a supportive environment where individuals can thrive professionally while contributing meaningfully.
The Vacation Scheme at Devonshires is particularly appealing because it provides the opportunity to engage with diverse areas of law, including commercial, litigation, and corporate practice, while remaining rooted in the firm’s core sectors. This practical exposure, combined with the chance to work directly with experienced solicitors, offers a perfect learning platform to refine my skills and explore my potential career path within a firm that shares my values and commitment to excellence.
Ultimately, Devonshires’ unique ethos and practice areas make it an ideal place for me to grow professionally while contributing to meaningful legal work.
This answer has some issues:
ChatGPT free:
I am eager to apply for a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires Solicitors LLP because of the firm’s outstanding reputation in social housing, construction, and litigation—areas that align with my interests. Devonshires stands out for its commitment to clients in the public and third sectors, providing high-quality legal services while maintaining a strong sense of social responsibility.
What particularly draws me to Devonshires is its emphasis on early responsibility and hands-on experience. I am excited by the prospect of working closely with expert solicitors on complex and meaningful cases, allowing me to develop practical legal skills in a supportive yet challenging environment. The firm’s friendly and inclusive culture, as evidenced by its strong training ethos and employee testimonials, makes it an ideal place to begin my legal career.
Unlike many firms that focus primarily on corporate clients, Devonshires' work in housing and public sector law appeals to my desire to make a tangible impact on communities. Additionally, the firm’s involvement in high-profile projects and landmark cases provides an excellent learning ground.
The Vacation Scheme presents a valuable opportunity to gain insight into Devonshires' unique approach to legal practice. I am particularly keen to experience its collaborative working environment and client-focused ethos firsthand. By participating, I hope to contribute my analytical skills, attention to detail, and enthusiasm while developing a deeper understanding of the firm’s core practice areas.
Ultimately, Devonshires’ combination of expertise, client focus, and social impact makes it my top choice for a Vacation Scheme.
This has lots of GPT smell, e.g. "eager", "ultimately".
4o-mini in the API (222 words):
I am excited to apply for a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires Solicitors LLP because of the firm’s reputation for combining legal excellence with a commitment to social responsibility. Devonshires stands out to me due to its emphasis on fostering a collaborative and inclusive environment, which I believe is essential for personal and professional growth. The firm’s dedication to pro bono work and community initiatives resonates with my values; I am eager to contribute to meaningful projects that extend beyond traditional legal services.
Furthermore, the diverse range of practice areas at Devonshires, particularly in areas like real estate and commercial law, aligns perfectly with my interests. I am particularly drawn to your commitment to innovation and the use of technology to enhance legal services. This forward-thinking approach not only improves client experiences but also offers a dynamic foundation for learning and development for trainees.
Additionally, the firm’s strong emphasis on mentorship and training ensures that young lawyers receive the necessary guidance to thrive in their careers. I am looking for an environment where I can gain hands-on experience and develop practical skills, and I believe Devonshires provides the perfect setting for this.
Overall, I am delighted at the prospect of joining a firm that values integrity, innovation, and community impact, and I am eager to immerse myself in the vibrant culture at Devonshires.
This fails to even mention social housing and again is obviously GPT.
4o (245 words):
Applying for a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires Solicitors LLP is an exciting opportunity for me due to several distinctive attributes the firm offers. Firstly, Devonshires’ strong focus on social housing, healthcare, and public sector work aligns perfectly with my passion for contributing to sectors that have a significant societal impact. The firm's commitment to these areas demonstrates a dedication to not only delivering exceptional legal services but also understanding and addressing broader social issues, which resonates with my own career aspirations.
Moreover, the firm's reputation for fostering a supportive and inclusive work environment sets it apart. The emphasis on professional development and mentoring reflects a commitment to nurturing talent, something which is incredibly important to me as I embark on my legal career. The chance to work closely with experienced solicitors and gain hands-on experience in a collaborative setting would be invaluable for my growth as a future lawyer.
Devonshires’ client-focused approach also distinguishes it from other firms. The emphasis on building and maintaining strong client relationships, while providing personalized legal solutions, is something that appeals to me greatly. I am eager to be part of a team that values thorough understanding of client needs and prioritizes effective communication.
Additionally, I am impressed by Devonshires' progressive stance on diversity and inclusion, recognizing its importance in creating a dynamic and vibrant workplace culture. I believe this environment will not only help me thrive but also enable me to contribute meaningfully to the firm and its clientele.
Again, "ize",and the language is overall very GPT.
This is 4.5
I am particularly drawn to Devonshires Solicitors LLP because of your distinct combination of technical legal expertise, client-driven practicality, and deep commitment to community and social responsibility. Your established reputation for excellence in areas such as social housing, property law, and complex litigation aligns closely with my professional interests and career ambitions.
Unlike other firms, Devonshires stands out by placing significant emphasis on integrity and ethical practice, actively focusing on supporting social initiatives within local communities. The firm's impressive portfolio in providing strategic legal guidance to housing associations and charities underscores your commitment to facilitating meaningful social change. Your particular blend of supporting commercial success and pursuing socially responsible outcomes positions Devonshires differently from many other leading law firms, appealing greatly to my personal values and professional outlook.
Furthermore, Devonshires' welcoming and inclusive culture, reflected in numerous trainee testimonials and the firm's transparent commitment to professional development and employee wellbeing, attracts me. Your structured Vacation Scheme, offering engagement in live client matters, clearly demonstrates the firm's dedication to investing in trainees' substantive growth and long-term career progression.
I am eager to learn from experienced practitioners at Devonshires and participate firsthand in your uniquely balanced environment, where excellence in legal services and purposeful societal engagement intersect seamlessly. By joining the Vacation Scheme, I hope to lay foundations for a meaningful, rewarding career specifically with Devonshires, contributing positively to its distinctive practice areas and strong community ethos.
This is better but still has quite a lot of GPT smell.
Note that my prompt uses 42 tokens. One input token is approximately a syllable. The prompt was 28 words.
The output tokens were 259, 285 and 278 tokens. Therefore the 4o-mini costs 0.02 cents, 4o costs 0.17 cents, and 4.5 4.5 cents (all plus VAT).
The model will tend to keep track of context, which means that previous answers are used. This will cost money if using the API. There is a 50% discount for cached input tokens.
I also tried Claude 3.7 sonnet, free (253 words).
I'm applying to Devonshires Solicitors LLP's Vacation Scheme because of your firm's distinctive position in the legal market, combining specialist expertise in social housing with a diverse practice spanning real estate, litigation, and banking. What particularly attracts me is your commitment to social purpose through your work with housing associations, charities, and public sector clients, which aligns with my interest in law as a vehicle for positive social impact.
Devonshires stands apart from other firms I've applied to through your unique balance of commercial acumen and social consciousness. While researching your firm, I was impressed by your innovative approach to social housing challenges, as evidenced in your pioneering work with housing associations on regeneration projects and affordable housing initiatives.
The collaborative culture at Devonshires is another distinguishing factor. Through speaking with trainees at a recent law fair, I learned how the firm's relatively small intake creates a supportive environment where trainees receive significant responsibility and direct client contact early in their careers. This hands-on training approach differs markedly from larger firms and would allow me to develop practical skills more rapidly.
Furthermore, your firm's continued growth despite economic uncertainty demonstrates resilience and strategic vision. The recent expansion of your Manchester office and development of specialist practice areas like ESG advisory services shows forward-thinking leadership that I'm eager to learn from.
I'm particularly drawn to experiencing Devonshires' distinctive approach firsthand through the Vacation Scheme, as it would provide invaluable insight into how commercial expertise and social impact can successfully coexist in modern legal practice.
This I think has a better tone, but it has hallucinated a specialist ESG advisory service and an entire office in Manchester. However, parts of the answer are probably usable.
DeepSeek (234 words)
I have chosen to apply for a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires Solicitors LLP because of the firm’s exceptional reputation for combining high-quality legal expertise with a client-focused approach. Devonshires’ commitment to delivering tailored solutions across a diverse range of practice areas, including real estate, social housing, and litigation, aligns closely with my career aspirations and interests. The firm’s emphasis on fostering long-term client relationships and its ability to adapt to the evolving legal landscape demonstrate a forward-thinking approach that I find highly appealing.
What sets Devonshires apart from other firms is its unique blend of a supportive, collaborative culture and a strong focus on professional development. The firm’s dedication to nurturing talent through hands-on experience and mentorship is evident in its structured Vacation Scheme, which offers a genuine opportunity to contribute to meaningful work. Additionally, Devonshires’ involvement in impactful sectors, such as social housing, reflects a commitment to making a positive difference in society, which resonates deeply with my personal values.
Furthermore, the firm’s size and structure provide an ideal environment for gaining comprehensive exposure to a variety of legal matters, while still maintaining a close-knit, collegial atmosphere. This balance is something I highly value, as it allows for both professional growth and the development of strong interpersonal relationships. I am confident that a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires will provide me with the skills, insights, and experiences necessary to build a successful legal career.
This one has a lot of empty sentences
Lastly I tried Grok, via X/Twitter.
I clicked the DeepSearch button (DeepSeek has a similar function, but it does not work). The sausage-making process was very impressive compared to the other approaches, as it took 65 seconds to come up with an answer, explaining that it was searching the web
It provided a set of key points
It then provided this answer (234 words), which it explained it had refined from an earlier 300-word answer.
I chose to apply for a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires Solicitors LLP because of its strong reputation in social housing and real estate, areas that match my career goals. The firm's focus on these sectors, with over 50 years of experience in social housing, offers me a unique opportunity to gain practical insights and skills in fields I'm passionate about.
Compared to other firms I've applied to, such as large international firms like Clifford Chance and UK-based firms like Knights, Devonshires stands out for its supportive, collaborative culture and better work-life balance. Unlike larger firms, which may have a more hierarchical structure, Devonshires fosters an environment where I can interact directly with senior lawyers and take on early responsibility. Its smaller size, with around 200 employees, ensures personalized attention, which is less common in bigger firms. Additionally, Devonshires' national presence, with offices in London, Leeds, and Birmingham, provides flexibility and exposure to different markets, unlike some regional firms.
The Vacation Scheme at Devonshires is particularly appealing, offering a week of real-life legal work and networking, paired with a current trainee for guidance. This hands-on approach, supported by positive feedback from past participants, contrasts with other firms' schemes, which may not offer the same level of practical engagement. An unexpected detail is Devonshires' recognition in legal directories like Chambers UK and Legal 500 for its social housing expertise, reinforcing its leadership in this niche area.
It followed this up with its research.:
Devonshires Solicitors LLP, with approximately 200 employees and 55 partners, is recognized as an industry leader, particularly in social housing and real estate, areas it has served for over 50 years. Its roots in social housing, expanded to include clients like large banks and individuals, reflect a deep understanding of diverse sectors. The firm's areas of practice include banking, construction, litigation, debt recovery, inquests, and infrastructure projects, as detailed on its website (Devonshires Website). This specialization, especially in social housing, sets it apart from broader-focused firms like Clifford Chance, which emphasizes corporate and finance work.
This research is not accurate, as it appears to have been taken from older news reports. The current partner count looks to be 62. However, it's still relevant if fact-checked.
This research continues for several pages, each with an accompanying summary table!
Devonshires' culture is a significant factor in my choice, emphasizing people and collaboration. Research from the Chambers Student Guide (Chambers Student Guide) highlights a non-hierarchical, supportive environment where trainees can approach equity partners for guidance. The firm is described as "nicer" with socials like clay pigeon shooting and quizzes, fostering a tight-knit community, especially in the Leeds office with 35 people. Work hours are standard (9-5:30pm), with no expectation to stay late, offering a better work-life balance compared to larger firms like Clifford Chance, known for longer hours and competitive environments.
The Vacation Scheme at Devonshires, detailed on its website (Devonshires Vacation Scheme), is a one-week program open to third-year undergraduates and above, available in London, Birmingham, and Leeds. It involves spending time in one specialist department, carrying out real-life legal work, and contributing to live cases. Participants are paired with a current trainee for guidance, with activities including Lunch & Learns and social events, and receive a topped-up Living Wage allowance. Feedback from participants, such as "incredibly insightful" and "extremely welcoming," underscores the scheme's quality, as seen on the website.
This material is quite useful. Given that Grok was willing to search the web, I tried helping it by telling it that I had applied to Bevan Brittan and Trowers & Hamlins, which manual research on Legal 500 suggests are key competitors.
It gave me this answer:
I chose Devonshires Solicitors LLP for its strong reputation in social housing and real estate, areas that match my career goals. With over 50 years of experience in social housing, the firm provides a unique opportunity to gain practical insights, which is crucial for my development as a future solicitor.
Compared to Trowers & Hamlins and Bevan Brittan, which I have also applied to, Devonshires stands out for its specialized focus on social housing. Trowers & Hamlins has a broader practice, including international work, while Bevan Brittan is known for public sector work, especially with the NHS. Devonshires' niche allows for deeper learning in my area of interest.
Additionally, Devonshires' smaller size (around 200 employees) ensures a more personalized experience, with direct interactions with senior lawyers and early responsibility. This contrasts with larger firms, which may have a more hierarchical structure. The firm's supportive culture and standard work hours also suggest a better work-life balance.
The Vacation Scheme at Devonshires, lasting one week, offers real-life legal work and networking, paired with a current trainee. This hands-on approach, supported by positive feedback, is valuable for understanding the firm's culture and work, setting it apart from the two-week schemes at Trowers & Hamlins and Bevan Brittan.
An unexpected detail is Devonshires' recognition in legal directories like Chambers UK and Legal 500 for its social housing expertise, reinforcing its leadership in this niche area.
Obviously there are some problems with its answers: it has correctly identified differences between Devonshires, Trowers & Hamlins and Bevan Brittan, including smaller size, and narrower focus, but fails to justify why the narrower focus is better. The strict comparison of vacation schemes is probably accurate but it's probably not a good idea to mention the different length.
I tried ChatGPT with the search hint turned on (https://chatgpt.com/?hints=search), and it provided one citation https://www.legal500.com/future-lawyers/profiles/devonshires/. Grok completely destroyed it, providing twelve:
(^note some of these URLs have been broken by Grok: it replaces 'devonshires' with 'devonshires solicitors llp'. However, the correct pages are easily found.)
Overall, I was quite surprised by the outcome. Obviously it's likely that you can get a better understanding of a firm, and write better answers, by DIY, but it does show that the essential step is research. Grok provides its list of URLs, which are ultimately rather obvious and you could find them easily yourself. It's likely that you could feed these into GPT-4o and get a similar/better results. This is computationally expensive: e.g., the Devonshires Chambers Student page is around 2000 words or ~3000 tokens. If we feed in 10 URLs let's say that's 30,000 tokens. That will cost 7.5 cents, plus VAT, using 4o, a ruinous $2.25 using 4.5, but only half-a-cent using 4o-mini. Also the big drawback is that you need to do this manually, although you could ask GPT to write you a program that will take a list of URLs you provide, download the content from them, feed it into GPT-4o (mini) a RAG approach to writing the answers.
ChatGPT has a 'deep research' function, however, it requires a $20/month subscription. It's likely this will give a better outcome, but unfortunately I don't have access to it as I'm not keen on having an ongoing subscription. Apparently it might be rolled out to free users.
Currently pricing:
- 4o mini: $0.15/$0.60 (per million in/out tokens)
- 4o: $2.50/$10
- 4.5 $75/$150
The three 4 models do the same thing: generate text, however the 4o mini is the least sophisticated model.
There is also
- o3-mini: $1.10/$4.40
- o1: $15/$60
There is also
Microsoft Copilot: Your AI companion
Microsoft Copilot is your companion to inform, entertain and inspire. Get advice, feedback and straightforward answers. Try Copilot now.
The free GPT uses 4o mini, as does copilot website. If you click 'think deeper' you will get o3-mini.
I gave the models the same prompt:
"Why have you chosen to apply for a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires Solicitors LLP? What sets us apart from the other firms you have applied to? (250 words)"
This was Copilot's output (230 words):
Devonshires Solicitors LLP stands out due to its unique combination of specialized expertise and a reputation for fostering strong client relationships. I am particularly drawn to the firm's emphasis on social housing and public sector law, which aligns with my personal values and aspirations to make a tangible impact on communities. The firm’s focus on long-term client collaboration, as opposed to merely transactional relationships, showcases a commitment to understanding clients' needs and delivering tailored solutions—a value I deeply resonate with.
Additionally, the firm’s smaller size, compared to larger, more corporate firms, offers the opportunity for hands-on experience, closer mentoring, and a more personal connection to the work and team. Devonshires’ inclusive and approachable culture, as highlighted in employee testimonials and awards, demonstrates a supportive environment where individuals can thrive professionally while contributing meaningfully.
The Vacation Scheme at Devonshires is particularly appealing because it provides the opportunity to engage with diverse areas of law, including commercial, litigation, and corporate practice, while remaining rooted in the firm’s core sectors. This practical exposure, combined with the chance to work directly with experienced solicitors, offers a perfect learning platform to refine my skills and explore my potential career path within a firm that shares my values and commitment to excellence.
Ultimately, Devonshires’ unique ethos and practice areas make it an ideal place for me to grow professionally while contributing to meaningful legal work.
This answer has some issues:
- it does hit the obvious social housing point but fails to really offer any more understanding.
- it smells of GPT: the paragraphs starting Additionally and Ultimately are one sign, as is the use of 'specialized' rather than 'specialised'.
ChatGPT free:
I am eager to apply for a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires Solicitors LLP because of the firm’s outstanding reputation in social housing, construction, and litigation—areas that align with my interests. Devonshires stands out for its commitment to clients in the public and third sectors, providing high-quality legal services while maintaining a strong sense of social responsibility.
What particularly draws me to Devonshires is its emphasis on early responsibility and hands-on experience. I am excited by the prospect of working closely with expert solicitors on complex and meaningful cases, allowing me to develop practical legal skills in a supportive yet challenging environment. The firm’s friendly and inclusive culture, as evidenced by its strong training ethos and employee testimonials, makes it an ideal place to begin my legal career.
Unlike many firms that focus primarily on corporate clients, Devonshires' work in housing and public sector law appeals to my desire to make a tangible impact on communities. Additionally, the firm’s involvement in high-profile projects and landmark cases provides an excellent learning ground.
The Vacation Scheme presents a valuable opportunity to gain insight into Devonshires' unique approach to legal practice. I am particularly keen to experience its collaborative working environment and client-focused ethos firsthand. By participating, I hope to contribute my analytical skills, attention to detail, and enthusiasm while developing a deeper understanding of the firm’s core practice areas.
Ultimately, Devonshires’ combination of expertise, client focus, and social impact makes it my top choice for a Vacation Scheme.
This has lots of GPT smell, e.g. "eager", "ultimately".
4o-mini in the API (222 words):
I am excited to apply for a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires Solicitors LLP because of the firm’s reputation for combining legal excellence with a commitment to social responsibility. Devonshires stands out to me due to its emphasis on fostering a collaborative and inclusive environment, which I believe is essential for personal and professional growth. The firm’s dedication to pro bono work and community initiatives resonates with my values; I am eager to contribute to meaningful projects that extend beyond traditional legal services.
Furthermore, the diverse range of practice areas at Devonshires, particularly in areas like real estate and commercial law, aligns perfectly with my interests. I am particularly drawn to your commitment to innovation and the use of technology to enhance legal services. This forward-thinking approach not only improves client experiences but also offers a dynamic foundation for learning and development for trainees.
Additionally, the firm’s strong emphasis on mentorship and training ensures that young lawyers receive the necessary guidance to thrive in their careers. I am looking for an environment where I can gain hands-on experience and develop practical skills, and I believe Devonshires provides the perfect setting for this.
Overall, I am delighted at the prospect of joining a firm that values integrity, innovation, and community impact, and I am eager to immerse myself in the vibrant culture at Devonshires.
This fails to even mention social housing and again is obviously GPT.
4o (245 words):
Applying for a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires Solicitors LLP is an exciting opportunity for me due to several distinctive attributes the firm offers. Firstly, Devonshires’ strong focus on social housing, healthcare, and public sector work aligns perfectly with my passion for contributing to sectors that have a significant societal impact. The firm's commitment to these areas demonstrates a dedication to not only delivering exceptional legal services but also understanding and addressing broader social issues, which resonates with my own career aspirations.
Moreover, the firm's reputation for fostering a supportive and inclusive work environment sets it apart. The emphasis on professional development and mentoring reflects a commitment to nurturing talent, something which is incredibly important to me as I embark on my legal career. The chance to work closely with experienced solicitors and gain hands-on experience in a collaborative setting would be invaluable for my growth as a future lawyer.
Devonshires’ client-focused approach also distinguishes it from other firms. The emphasis on building and maintaining strong client relationships, while providing personalized legal solutions, is something that appeals to me greatly. I am eager to be part of a team that values thorough understanding of client needs and prioritizes effective communication.
Additionally, I am impressed by Devonshires' progressive stance on diversity and inclusion, recognizing its importance in creating a dynamic and vibrant workplace culture. I believe this environment will not only help me thrive but also enable me to contribute meaningfully to the firm and its clientele.
Again, "ize",and the language is overall very GPT.
This is 4.5
I am particularly drawn to Devonshires Solicitors LLP because of your distinct combination of technical legal expertise, client-driven practicality, and deep commitment to community and social responsibility. Your established reputation for excellence in areas such as social housing, property law, and complex litigation aligns closely with my professional interests and career ambitions.
Unlike other firms, Devonshires stands out by placing significant emphasis on integrity and ethical practice, actively focusing on supporting social initiatives within local communities. The firm's impressive portfolio in providing strategic legal guidance to housing associations and charities underscores your commitment to facilitating meaningful social change. Your particular blend of supporting commercial success and pursuing socially responsible outcomes positions Devonshires differently from many other leading law firms, appealing greatly to my personal values and professional outlook.
Furthermore, Devonshires' welcoming and inclusive culture, reflected in numerous trainee testimonials and the firm's transparent commitment to professional development and employee wellbeing, attracts me. Your structured Vacation Scheme, offering engagement in live client matters, clearly demonstrates the firm's dedication to investing in trainees' substantive growth and long-term career progression.
I am eager to learn from experienced practitioners at Devonshires and participate firsthand in your uniquely balanced environment, where excellence in legal services and purposeful societal engagement intersect seamlessly. By joining the Vacation Scheme, I hope to lay foundations for a meaningful, rewarding career specifically with Devonshires, contributing positively to its distinctive practice areas and strong community ethos.
This is better but still has quite a lot of GPT smell.
Note that my prompt uses 42 tokens. One input token is approximately a syllable. The prompt was 28 words.
The output tokens were 259, 285 and 278 tokens. Therefore the 4o-mini costs 0.02 cents, 4o costs 0.17 cents, and 4.5 4.5 cents (all plus VAT).
The model will tend to keep track of context, which means that previous answers are used. This will cost money if using the API. There is a 50% discount for cached input tokens.
I also tried Claude 3.7 sonnet, free (253 words).
I'm applying to Devonshires Solicitors LLP's Vacation Scheme because of your firm's distinctive position in the legal market, combining specialist expertise in social housing with a diverse practice spanning real estate, litigation, and banking. What particularly attracts me is your commitment to social purpose through your work with housing associations, charities, and public sector clients, which aligns with my interest in law as a vehicle for positive social impact.
Devonshires stands apart from other firms I've applied to through your unique balance of commercial acumen and social consciousness. While researching your firm, I was impressed by your innovative approach to social housing challenges, as evidenced in your pioneering work with housing associations on regeneration projects and affordable housing initiatives.
The collaborative culture at Devonshires is another distinguishing factor. Through speaking with trainees at a recent law fair, I learned how the firm's relatively small intake creates a supportive environment where trainees receive significant responsibility and direct client contact early in their careers. This hands-on training approach differs markedly from larger firms and would allow me to develop practical skills more rapidly.
Furthermore, your firm's continued growth despite economic uncertainty demonstrates resilience and strategic vision. The recent expansion of your Manchester office and development of specialist practice areas like ESG advisory services shows forward-thinking leadership that I'm eager to learn from.
I'm particularly drawn to experiencing Devonshires' distinctive approach firsthand through the Vacation Scheme, as it would provide invaluable insight into how commercial expertise and social impact can successfully coexist in modern legal practice.
This I think has a better tone, but it has hallucinated a specialist ESG advisory service and an entire office in Manchester. However, parts of the answer are probably usable.
DeepSeek (234 words)
I have chosen to apply for a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires Solicitors LLP because of the firm’s exceptional reputation for combining high-quality legal expertise with a client-focused approach. Devonshires’ commitment to delivering tailored solutions across a diverse range of practice areas, including real estate, social housing, and litigation, aligns closely with my career aspirations and interests. The firm’s emphasis on fostering long-term client relationships and its ability to adapt to the evolving legal landscape demonstrate a forward-thinking approach that I find highly appealing.
What sets Devonshires apart from other firms is its unique blend of a supportive, collaborative culture and a strong focus on professional development. The firm’s dedication to nurturing talent through hands-on experience and mentorship is evident in its structured Vacation Scheme, which offers a genuine opportunity to contribute to meaningful work. Additionally, Devonshires’ involvement in impactful sectors, such as social housing, reflects a commitment to making a positive difference in society, which resonates deeply with my personal values.
Furthermore, the firm’s size and structure provide an ideal environment for gaining comprehensive exposure to a variety of legal matters, while still maintaining a close-knit, collegial atmosphere. This balance is something I highly value, as it allows for both professional growth and the development of strong interpersonal relationships. I am confident that a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires will provide me with the skills, insights, and experiences necessary to build a successful legal career.
This one has a lot of empty sentences
Lastly I tried Grok, via X/Twitter.
I clicked the DeepSearch button (DeepSeek has a similar function, but it does not work). The sausage-making process was very impressive compared to the other approaches, as it took 65 seconds to come up with an answer, explaining that it was searching the web
It provided a set of key points
- It seems likely that I chose Devonshires Solicitors LLP for its expertise in social housing and real estate, aligning with my career interests.
- The evidence leans toward Devonshires offering a supportive culture and better work-life balance compared to larger firms like Clifford Chance.
- Research suggests Devonshires stands out with its national presence and hands-on Vacation Scheme, providing real legal work and networking opportunities.
It then provided this answer (234 words), which it explained it had refined from an earlier 300-word answer.
I chose to apply for a Vacation Scheme at Devonshires Solicitors LLP because of its strong reputation in social housing and real estate, areas that match my career goals. The firm's focus on these sectors, with over 50 years of experience in social housing, offers me a unique opportunity to gain practical insights and skills in fields I'm passionate about.
Compared to other firms I've applied to, such as large international firms like Clifford Chance and UK-based firms like Knights, Devonshires stands out for its supportive, collaborative culture and better work-life balance. Unlike larger firms, which may have a more hierarchical structure, Devonshires fosters an environment where I can interact directly with senior lawyers and take on early responsibility. Its smaller size, with around 200 employees, ensures personalized attention, which is less common in bigger firms. Additionally, Devonshires' national presence, with offices in London, Leeds, and Birmingham, provides flexibility and exposure to different markets, unlike some regional firms.
The Vacation Scheme at Devonshires is particularly appealing, offering a week of real-life legal work and networking, paired with a current trainee for guidance. This hands-on approach, supported by positive feedback from past participants, contrasts with other firms' schemes, which may not offer the same level of practical engagement. An unexpected detail is Devonshires' recognition in legal directories like Chambers UK and Legal 500 for its social housing expertise, reinforcing its leadership in this niche area.
It followed this up with its research.:
Devonshires Solicitors LLP, with approximately 200 employees and 55 partners, is recognized as an industry leader, particularly in social housing and real estate, areas it has served for over 50 years. Its roots in social housing, expanded to include clients like large banks and individuals, reflect a deep understanding of diverse sectors. The firm's areas of practice include banking, construction, litigation, debt recovery, inquests, and infrastructure projects, as detailed on its website (Devonshires Website). This specialization, especially in social housing, sets it apart from broader-focused firms like Clifford Chance, which emphasizes corporate and finance work.
This research is not accurate, as it appears to have been taken from older news reports. The current partner count looks to be 62. However, it's still relevant if fact-checked.
This research continues for several pages, each with an accompanying summary table!
Devonshires' culture is a significant factor in my choice, emphasizing people and collaboration. Research from the Chambers Student Guide (Chambers Student Guide) highlights a non-hierarchical, supportive environment where trainees can approach equity partners for guidance. The firm is described as "nicer" with socials like clay pigeon shooting and quizzes, fostering a tight-knit community, especially in the Leeds office with 35 people. Work hours are standard (9-5:30pm), with no expectation to stay late, offering a better work-life balance compared to larger firms like Clifford Chance, known for longer hours and competitive environments.
The Vacation Scheme at Devonshires, detailed on its website (Devonshires Vacation Scheme), is a one-week program open to third-year undergraduates and above, available in London, Birmingham, and Leeds. It involves spending time in one specialist department, carrying out real-life legal work, and contributing to live cases. Participants are paired with a current trainee for guidance, with activities including Lunch & Learns and social events, and receive a topped-up Living Wage allowance. Feedback from participants, such as "incredibly insightful" and "extremely welcoming," underscores the scheme's quality, as seen on the website.
This material is quite useful. Given that Grok was willing to search the web, I tried helping it by telling it that I had applied to Bevan Brittan and Trowers & Hamlins, which manual research on Legal 500 suggests are key competitors.
It gave me this answer:
I chose Devonshires Solicitors LLP for its strong reputation in social housing and real estate, areas that match my career goals. With over 50 years of experience in social housing, the firm provides a unique opportunity to gain practical insights, which is crucial for my development as a future solicitor.
Compared to Trowers & Hamlins and Bevan Brittan, which I have also applied to, Devonshires stands out for its specialized focus on social housing. Trowers & Hamlins has a broader practice, including international work, while Bevan Brittan is known for public sector work, especially with the NHS. Devonshires' niche allows for deeper learning in my area of interest.
Additionally, Devonshires' smaller size (around 200 employees) ensures a more personalized experience, with direct interactions with senior lawyers and early responsibility. This contrasts with larger firms, which may have a more hierarchical structure. The firm's supportive culture and standard work hours also suggest a better work-life balance.
The Vacation Scheme at Devonshires, lasting one week, offers real-life legal work and networking, paired with a current trainee. This hands-on approach, supported by positive feedback, is valuable for understanding the firm's culture and work, setting it apart from the two-week schemes at Trowers & Hamlins and Bevan Brittan.
An unexpected detail is Devonshires' recognition in legal directories like Chambers UK and Legal 500 for its social housing expertise, reinforcing its leadership in this niche area.
Obviously there are some problems with its answers: it has correctly identified differences between Devonshires, Trowers & Hamlins and Bevan Brittan, including smaller size, and narrower focus, but fails to justify why the narrower focus is better. The strict comparison of vacation schemes is probably accurate but it's probably not a good idea to mention the different length.
I tried ChatGPT with the search hint turned on (https://chatgpt.com/?hints=search), and it provided one citation https://www.legal500.com/future-lawyers/profiles/devonshires/. Grok completely destroyed it, providing twelve:
- Devonshires Website Overview and Areas of Practice
- Devonshires Vacation Scheme Details
- Chambers Student Guide Trainee Experiences
- Legal 500 Future Lawyers Trainee Feedback
- LawCareers.net Devonshires Profile
- Trowers & Hamlins Website Firm Overview
- Trowers & Hamlins Vacation Schemes
- Bevan Brittan Website Firm Overview
- Bevan Brittan Vacation Scheme
- Legal Cheek Trowers & Hamlins Profile
- Legal Cheek Bevan Brittan Profile
- Devonshires LinkedIn Awards and Recognition
(^note some of these URLs have been broken by Grok: it replaces 'devonshires' with 'devonshires solicitors llp'. However, the correct pages are easily found.)
Overall, I was quite surprised by the outcome. Obviously it's likely that you can get a better understanding of a firm, and write better answers, by DIY, but it does show that the essential step is research. Grok provides its list of URLs, which are ultimately rather obvious and you could find them easily yourself. It's likely that you could feed these into GPT-4o and get a similar/better results. This is computationally expensive: e.g., the Devonshires Chambers Student page is around 2000 words or ~3000 tokens. If we feed in 10 URLs let's say that's 30,000 tokens. That will cost 7.5 cents, plus VAT, using 4o, a ruinous $2.25 using 4.5, but only half-a-cent using 4o-mini. Also the big drawback is that you need to do this manually, although you could ask GPT to write you a program that will take a list of URLs you provide, download the content from them, feed it into GPT-4o (mini) a RAG approach to writing the answers.
ChatGPT has a 'deep research' function, however, it requires a $20/month subscription. It's likely this will give a better outcome, but unfortunately I don't have access to it as I'm not keen on having an ongoing subscription. Apparently it might be rolled out to free users.
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