I actually felt like MB amberjack was much easier than Weil's. I kinda wanna find other firms using Amberjack so I can trial and error my way to higher scores now lmao
OA.Aw thank you! Which test are you talking about? The oa or the vi?
I appreciate you will likely not know - but do you know how many trainees Travers recruit via direct TC route?Hey, I got it through the Winter VS.
The fact that you’ve made it to an AC means you’re a very strong candidate so don’t give up. Rejection builds resilience. You may want to consider applying to firms with no VI element - Gibson Dunn, Paul Hastings, Osborne Clarke, Ropes & Gray, Debevoise, Dechert etc.Looking for a bit of advice, would appreciate anything.
I think I’m genuinely considering calling it a day regarding TC’s:
Last year, I managed to make it to 2 ACs, with the more recent of the two being a huge positive for me. Though I didn’t get an offer, I received positive feedback and fell just short, and it was a significant improvement on the first AC. It’s also worth mentioning this was for a firm with a notoriously challenging AC, which I further took as a positive.
This was around August, so it gave me good motivation to hit the ground running with this cycle. By this point, I knew what I was doing, I’d perfected my strategy when it came to SJT’s, Watson Glasers, so I felt good going into this cycle…
Only to quickly realise that most firms decided this year they want to throw a massive spanner in the works and make their processes 40x harder. Before this, I knew VIs were not my strength, so I thought I’ll just avoid firms that use them, considering I knew I was now strong in written applications and psychometrics. Now, it seems that VIs are an unavoidable fact of TC applications as of this year.
Still, I went into WVS applications quite optimistic. Fast forward to now, received rejections from every single winter I applied to, which was demoralising but I knew it was still early days.
Again, fast forward to now, I’m genuinely considering just saving my time and investing it elsewhere, starting to believe the odds are far too stacked against me.
I’ve completed about 10 VIs for firms this year already, with a good portion of those being selective, so again I know my applications are pristine and my psychometrics are too, but I’ve been rejected from all. I’ve had 1 to 1s with various people to help me improve VI performance, who all said that I was seemingly quite good with them.
I was going into this cycle with AC experience from two elite City Firms and so I naturally felt pretty confident in my abilities, but this year feels regressive if anything at this moment in time. Now I just think it’s ultimately impossible to even get an AC, especially with this cycle quietly coming to the end in a month or so, at least for vacs. I’m now a graduate and so I really cannot afford to keep investing my time into what seems to be a black hole, having told myself I’m going to give it my best shot this year and leave no stone unturned.
And in my opinion - and it could sound convenient - I think the way firms are heading with these new recruitment processes is ultimately starting to diminish the merit that used to be involved in writing an impressive application. Though I know endurance is very important in this process too, it does feel like unless the quality you input is matched with an exhausting amount of stamina, people who were strong contenders in ACs and vacs are now not even being shown the time of day.
But that’s just my opinion. Let me know what you think, thanks.
I would say you are way to close to give up on this.Looking for a bit of advice, would appreciate anything.
I think I’m genuinely considering calling it a day regarding TC’s:
Last year, I managed to make it to 2 ACs, with the more recent of the two being a huge positive for me. Though I didn’t get an offer, I received positive feedback and fell just short, and it was a significant improvement on the first AC. It’s also worth mentioning this was for a firm with a notoriously challenging AC, which I further took as a positive.
This was around August, so it gave me good motivation to hit the ground running with this cycle. By this point, I knew what I was doing, I’d perfected my strategy when it came to SJT’s, Watson Glasers, so I felt good going into this cycle…
Only to quickly realise that most firms decided this year they want to throw a massive spanner in the works and make their processes 40x harder. Before this, I knew VIs were not my strength, so I thought I’ll just avoid firms that use them, considering I knew I was now strong in written applications and psychometrics. Now, it seems that VIs are an unavoidable fact of TC applications as of this year.
Still, I went into WVS applications quite optimistic. Fast forward to now, received rejections from every single winter I applied to, which was demoralising but I knew it was still early days.
Again, fast forward to now, I’m genuinely considering just saving my time and investing it elsewhere, starting to believe the odds are far too stacked against me.
I’ve completed about 10 VIs for firms this year already, with a good portion of those being selective, so again I know my applications are pristine and my psychometrics are too, but I’ve been rejected from all. I’ve had 1 to 1s with various people to help me improve VI performance, who all said that I was seemingly quite good with them.
I was going into this cycle with AC experience from two elite City Firms and so I naturally felt pretty confident in my abilities, but this year feels regressive if anything at this moment in time. Now I just think it’s ultimately impossible to even get an AC, especially with this cycle quietly coming to the end in a month or so, at least for vacs. I’m now a graduate and so I really cannot afford to keep investing my time into what seems to be a black hole, having told myself I’m going to give it my best shot this year and leave no stone unturned.
And in my opinion - and it could sound convenient - I think the way firms are heading with these new recruitment processes is ultimately starting to diminish the merit that used to be involved in writing an impressive application. Though I know endurance is very important in this process too, it does feel like unless the quality you input is matched with an exhausting amount of stamina, people who were strong contenders in ACs and vacs are now not even being shown the time of day.
But that’s just my opinion. Let me know what you think, thanks.
Just to add to the bottom paragraph, if there is any opportunity for you to undertake some form of public speaking, it goes a long way to help you build confidence in speaking and it will really help you deliver better answers to have more confidence in yourself and your abilities - I think even if you don't recall information perfectly when giving the answer showing confidence and continuing regardless rather than letting your brain derail you is essential to demonstrate.The fact that you’ve made it to an AC means you’re a very strong candidate so don’t give up. Rejection builds resilience. You may want to consider applying to firms with no VI element - Gibson Dunn, Paul Hastings, Osborne Clarke, Ropes & Gray, Debevoise, Dechert etc.
It all depends on your preference and how long an app you’re willing to do too.
With VI’s it’s practice practice practice. Videoing yourself (no matter how cringe) and seeing how you come across. It’s a balance between, enthusiasm, structure of your response and acting, in my opinion. Really staying calm and trying your best.
Good luck and keep going!
I believe you're referring to the stage 2 where you had to proofread etc,..I did stage 1 on 11th Dec and got the invite to stage 2 the next day.
No the Job Sim, which includes the VI!I believe you're referring to the stage 2 where you had to proofread etc,..I have VI in mind as stage2.
I think that it's okay to feel how you're feeling, and I also think that the fact that you're here asking for advice shows that you really want this, a career in law, in which case, it's really important to not give up. It's not the end of the world if you can't land a TC now, and you clearly have a strong enough profile to maybe land a paralegal role or something else so that you can continue applications in the meantime.Looking for a bit of advice, would appreciate anything.
I think I’m genuinely considering calling it a day regarding TC’s:
Last year, I managed to make it to 2 ACs, with the more recent of the two being a huge positive for me. Though I didn’t get an offer, I received positive feedback and fell just short, and it was a significant improvement on the first AC. It’s also worth mentioning this was for a firm with a notoriously challenging AC, which I further took as a positive.
This was around August, so it gave me good motivation to hit the ground running with this cycle. By this point, I knew what I was doing, I’d perfected my strategy when it came to SJT’s, Watson Glasers, so I felt good going into this cycle…
Only to quickly realise that most firms decided this year they want to throw a massive spanner in the works and make their processes 40x harder. Before this, I knew VIs were not my strength, so I thought I’ll just avoid firms that use them, considering I knew I was now strong in written applications and psychometrics. Now, it seems that VIs are an unavoidable fact of TC applications as of this year.
Still, I went into WVS applications quite optimistic. Fast forward to now, received rejections from every single winter I applied to, which was demoralising but I knew it was still early days.
Again, fast forward to now, I’m genuinely considering just saving my time and investing it elsewhere, starting to believe the odds are far too stacked against me.
I’ve completed about 10 VIs for firms this year already, with a good portion of those being selective, so again I know my applications are pristine and my psychometrics are too, but I’ve been rejected from all. I’ve had 1 to 1s with various people to help me improve VI performance, who all said that I was seemingly quite good with them.
I was going into this cycle with AC experience from two elite City Firms and so I naturally felt pretty confident in my abilities, but this year feels regressive if anything at this moment in time. Now I just think it’s ultimately impossible to even get an AC, especially with this cycle quietly coming to the end in a month or so, at least for vacs. I’m now a graduate and so I really cannot afford to keep investing my time into what seems to be a black hole, having told myself I’m going to give it my best shot this year and leave no stone unturned.
And in my opinion - and it could sound convenient - I think the way firms are heading with these new recruitment processes is ultimately starting to diminish the merit that used to be involved in writing an impressive application. Though I know endurance is very important in this process too, it does feel like unless the quality you input is matched with an exhausting amount of stamina, people who were strong contenders in ACs and vacs are now not even being shown the time of day.
But that’s just my opinion. Let me know what you think, thanks.
I have ABC at a-level and have progressed with firms both AAB and ABB. I do have mitigating circumstances, but to be honest they are quite weak circumstances and I'm not sure how much they're being considered. Definitely worth applying if you really like the firm, and depending on how they word their requirements.Just wanted to see people’s opinion on my situation. I achieved quite poorly in my A Levels and got BBB but am still at a top RG uni and have quite a bit of legal work experience (MC open days, week in a national law firm). Because of my A Levels I have only applied to firms that either have no A Level requirement or are BBB and below. However, I have not been progressed with any firms to interview/AC yet so I was wondering if it was worth applying to firms that maybe have an ABB requirement as well to try and boost my chances? Although I don’t have mitigating circumstances, I did go to a non-selective state school and with RARE contextual recruitment my results are ABB.
The Simmons Bristol application has no app questions. I was suspicious too.Could anyone please confirm if Simmons Bristol VS has no app questions apart from those covering work exp/extra curriculars?
I've been scouring the form for the last 20 minutes looking for any sign of any application questions but I'm coming up dry and feeling a bit suspicious.
Yes! They put much greater emphasis on your VI responses which is why they have unlimited prep time 😁 assume it's because AI has made everyone sound an expert!Could anyone please confirm if Simmons Bristol VS has no app questions apart from those covering work exp/extra curriculars?
I've been scouring the form for the last 20 minutes looking for any sign of any application questions but I'm coming up dry and feeling a bit suspicious.