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<blockquote data-quote="Jacob Miller" data-source="post: 69104" data-attributes="member: 5063"><p>Hey all,</p><p></p><p>Feel like I should throw my hat in the ring here - not in any loaded way/ attacking OP at all, just because I feel it might be worthwhile. Whether Travers in this example is actually anecdotal, or whether it's a 'stand in' for [insert silver circle firm here], doesn't actually particularly change my position.</p><p></p><p>It's worth bearing in mind that commercial law has internal rivalries/ politics/ oneupmanship in the same way everywhere else does ("Oh, you're at college? I'm at Uni"... "Oh, you're at uni? I'm RG"... "Oh, you're normal RG? I'm Oxbridge?"... "Oh, you're Oxbridge? I'm X college or Y college"...) - it's highly likely that OP's contact's advice has been jaded by this. Travers is a highly-regarded firm with a 200-year pedigree, so I think the position that the contact has taken to infer that they're a bit of a non-entity is perhaps driven by this, at least in part.</p><p></p><p>I generally speaking agree with the advice given - especially with [USER=7554]@danieljonesqb[/USER]'s slight nuance in regards certain departments. If you're dead set that you're looking to qualify into a certain practice are, for which Travers (or whomever) isn't particularly well-known, common sense dictates that you <strong>may</strong> have a tougher time lateraling (is that a word?) to another firm PQ. That would be the same at any firm, not limited to Travers. With that said, I'm actually quite good friends with a lawyer who trained at Travers, wanted to qualify into an area where Travers didn't have a big practice area in and lateraled to another firm whose practice area in that specialism is ranked as one of the best in the City - so this is <strong>far from a blanket rule</strong>.</p><p></p><p>However, if it's in a practice area for which Travers is well-regarded, you shouldn't have any problems and I'd tend to disagree quite strongly with OP's contact's advice here. This is especially true for PE work: I know <strong>for a fact</strong> that plenty of Travers lawyers have lateraled to American firms and have been well-regarded there. There's also a reason that Latham wanted to merge with Travers back in the naughties when they first came to the City and were knocked back 👀</p><p></p><p>In terms of advising OP whether they should accept or decline a TC offer, that's impossible. It's a gut instinct thing - if they feel they would be better off training elsewhere, I would discourage them from formally accepting a TC only to subsequently decline it as the space could go to someone who's desperate for it. Equally, there's no doubt that there is a large risk factor involved in this - the TC market is <strong>fierce</strong> and I would advise being <strong>extremely confident </strong>that you will secure a TC elsewhere at somewhere perceived as 'better' before making the decision.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jacob Miller, post: 69104, member: 5063"] Hey all, Feel like I should throw my hat in the ring here - not in any loaded way/ attacking OP at all, just because I feel it might be worthwhile. Whether Travers in this example is actually anecdotal, or whether it's a 'stand in' for [insert silver circle firm here], doesn't actually particularly change my position. It's worth bearing in mind that commercial law has internal rivalries/ politics/ oneupmanship in the same way everywhere else does ("Oh, you're at college? I'm at Uni"... "Oh, you're at uni? I'm RG"... "Oh, you're normal RG? I'm Oxbridge?"... "Oh, you're Oxbridge? I'm X college or Y college"...) - it's highly likely that OP's contact's advice has been jaded by this. Travers is a highly-regarded firm with a 200-year pedigree, so I think the position that the contact has taken to infer that they're a bit of a non-entity is perhaps driven by this, at least in part. I generally speaking agree with the advice given - especially with [USER=7554]@danieljonesqb[/USER]'s slight nuance in regards certain departments. If you're dead set that you're looking to qualify into a certain practice are, for which Travers (or whomever) isn't particularly well-known, common sense dictates that you [B]may[/B] have a tougher time lateraling (is that a word?) to another firm PQ. That would be the same at any firm, not limited to Travers. With that said, I'm actually quite good friends with a lawyer who trained at Travers, wanted to qualify into an area where Travers didn't have a big practice area in and lateraled to another firm whose practice area in that specialism is ranked as one of the best in the City - so this is [B]far from a blanket rule[/B]. However, if it's in a practice area for which Travers is well-regarded, you shouldn't have any problems and I'd tend to disagree quite strongly with OP's contact's advice here. This is especially true for PE work: I know [B]for a fact[/B] that plenty of Travers lawyers have lateraled to American firms and have been well-regarded there. There's also a reason that Latham wanted to merge with Travers back in the naughties when they first came to the City and were knocked back 👀 In terms of advising OP whether they should accept or decline a TC offer, that's impossible. It's a gut instinct thing - if they feel they would be better off training elsewhere, I would discourage them from formally accepting a TC only to subsequently decline it as the space could go to someone who's desperate for it. Equally, there's no doubt that there is a large risk factor involved in this - the TC market is [B]fierce[/B] and I would advise being [B]extremely confident [/B]that you will secure a TC elsewhere at somewhere perceived as 'better' before making the decision. [/QUOTE]
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