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How on earth do some people have 3 TC offers and further Vac Schemes lined up?
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<blockquote data-quote="Anon08" data-source="post: 70075"><p>There have been a fair number of good answers to this question - but I thought to pitch in with my own perspective.</p><p></p><p>By no means is this a general rule; however, it can be a snowball effect. That is to say, if you are successful in one process (whether that is to get a VS or a TC offer), then one is, I posit and assume, more likely to be successful in such processes at other firms. There may be three explanations (which are not necessarily mutually exclusive) for this:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The candidate has now learnt what works in the assessment process. This can include applications, online tests, video interviews, and, arguably, the most important, the final AC/interview(s). 'What works' can mean many things, including the content of answers, structure, timing, tone, personality, and so on. This is where, I think, [USER=1]@Jaysen[/USER] and [USER=2672]@Jessica Booker[/USER]'s answers may factor in.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The candidate can mention their prior VSs/TC offers in the other firms' application process (in the context of competencies, work experience, motivation questions, etc.). This may give them stronger, more applicable examples/evidence to draw upon (not necessarily, it depends on how the candidate leverages it). Done correctly, and this can further strengthen an already strong candidate's chance of success.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">From the outset of firms' application processes, the candidate marks themselves out as one to watch. Look at it from a law firm's perspective - if a candidate shows up with a handful of prior VS experiences/TC offers from top firms, then it is an obvious sign that this candidate is in demand and that this is someone the firm would want. However, law firms will still put such candidates through their paces to ensure that indeed this candidate is all that other firms think they are cracked up to be - so don't think they have an easy ride by any stretch (although, pursuant to (1) & (2), the candidate is inclined to be more successful).</li> </ol><p>I would just add that, for many of these candidates, it rarely comes overnight. They might amass these offers over the course of two application cycles, working their way up from First Year schemes, all the way to multiple TC offers. Furthermore, it isn't particularly fashionable (although I have seen some posts relating to this) to discuss one's rejections on LinkedIn - so consider the number of rejections that line the path that someone has trodden towards a TC, or even multiple TC offers. The point is that there are very few (although some exist) 'genius' candidates - for (a hyperbolic) example, a candidate who makes five applications to all the MC firms and receives TC offers at all five. Consequently, the <em>vast</em> majority of candidates have to go through the struggle of the application process!</p><p></p><p>As you've asked, I'll tell you a little bit about my experience. I achieved the following between August 2019 - January 2020:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">First Year Schemes (completed): (1) CMS, (2) Weil, Gotshal & Manges</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Vacation Schemes (offers): (1) CMS, (2) Weil, Gotshal & Manges</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Vacation Schemes (completed): (1) Bird & Bird, (2) Herbert Smith Freehills</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Training Contract Offers: (1) Herbert Smith Freehills, (2) Allen & Overy</li> </ul><p>I accept that I did not achieve 3+ training contract offers; however, I would like to think that I was relatively successful and that had I completed my other vacation schemes, I would have achieved offers there as well! Anyway, I believe that the three factors I've listed above, and perhaps what Jaysen and Jessica have written, played a role in my achievements.</p><p></p><p>I do hope that helps to answer your question, and if I can end with a final remark: this process does spur on tremendous personal development, should you be receptive to it. I personally don't believe anyone is born under a lucky star, and that working hard (whilst remaining receptive to feedback) is what produces results! So, don't give <em>too much</em> attention to others' accolades; instead, focus on yourself, your journey, and, naturally, your successes to come!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anon08, post: 70075"] There have been a fair number of good answers to this question - but I thought to pitch in with my own perspective. By no means is this a general rule; however, it can be a snowball effect. That is to say, if you are successful in one process (whether that is to get a VS or a TC offer), then one is, I posit and assume, more likely to be successful in such processes at other firms. There may be three explanations (which are not necessarily mutually exclusive) for this: [LIST=1] [*]The candidate has now learnt what works in the assessment process. This can include applications, online tests, video interviews, and, arguably, the most important, the final AC/interview(s). 'What works' can mean many things, including the content of answers, structure, timing, tone, personality, and so on. This is where, I think, [USER=1]@Jaysen[/USER] and [USER=2672]@Jessica Booker[/USER]'s answers may factor in. [*]The candidate can mention their prior VSs/TC offers in the other firms' application process (in the context of competencies, work experience, motivation questions, etc.). This may give them stronger, more applicable examples/evidence to draw upon (not necessarily, it depends on how the candidate leverages it). Done correctly, and this can further strengthen an already strong candidate's chance of success. [*]From the outset of firms' application processes, the candidate marks themselves out as one to watch. Look at it from a law firm's perspective - if a candidate shows up with a handful of prior VS experiences/TC offers from top firms, then it is an obvious sign that this candidate is in demand and that this is someone the firm would want. However, law firms will still put such candidates through their paces to ensure that indeed this candidate is all that other firms think they are cracked up to be - so don't think they have an easy ride by any stretch (although, pursuant to (1) & (2), the candidate is inclined to be more successful). [/LIST] I would just add that, for many of these candidates, it rarely comes overnight. They might amass these offers over the course of two application cycles, working their way up from First Year schemes, all the way to multiple TC offers. Furthermore, it isn't particularly fashionable (although I have seen some posts relating to this) to discuss one's rejections on LinkedIn - so consider the number of rejections that line the path that someone has trodden towards a TC, or even multiple TC offers. The point is that there are very few (although some exist) 'genius' candidates - for (a hyperbolic) example, a candidate who makes five applications to all the MC firms and receives TC offers at all five. Consequently, the [I]vast[/I] majority of candidates have to go through the struggle of the application process! As you've asked, I'll tell you a little bit about my experience. I achieved the following between August 2019 - January 2020: [LIST] [*]First Year Schemes (completed): (1) CMS, (2) Weil, Gotshal & Manges [*]Vacation Schemes (offers): (1) CMS, (2) Weil, Gotshal & Manges [*]Vacation Schemes (completed): (1) Bird & Bird, (2) Herbert Smith Freehills [*]Training Contract Offers: (1) Herbert Smith Freehills, (2) Allen & Overy [/LIST] I accept that I did not achieve 3+ training contract offers; however, I would like to think that I was relatively successful and that had I completed my other vacation schemes, I would have achieved offers there as well! Anyway, I believe that the three factors I've listed above, and perhaps what Jaysen and Jessica have written, played a role in my achievements. I do hope that helps to answer your question, and if I can end with a final remark: this process does spur on tremendous personal development, should you be receptive to it. I personally don't believe anyone is born under a lucky star, and that working hard (whilst remaining receptive to feedback) is what produces results! So, don't give [I]too much[/I] attention to others' accolades; instead, focus on yourself, your journey, and, naturally, your successes to come! [/QUOTE]
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