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How on earth do some people have 3 TC offers and further Vac Schemes lined up?
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<blockquote data-quote="Romiras" data-source="post: 70347" data-attributes="member: 1993"><p>I've received multiple TC offers (4) and VS offers (10) (and some rejections). Prior to that, I was rejected from most of the first year schemes from the Magic Circle firms / US firms. I think there are clear things to 'check off', if you want to be a strong applicant in the online application form stage. However, beyond that, there's no precise magic formulation (at least from what I have seen from my friends, from those that I have coached and from my own experience). Those guidelines / things to check off that have been mentioned already in this thread are definitely good things to keep in mind when figuring out how you can broadly develop yourself (on paper and in person).</p><p></p><p>I, however, take the view that there is a bit of luck involved in the recruitment process, especially during the interview stage. When I received one offer, I was able to leverage it in future interview in multiple ways:</p><p></p><p>Firstly, I felt that the "negotiating" positions have slightly equalised, and depending on the offer you receive, it may very well put you in a superior position. This resulted in increased confidence (although be cautious of becoming arrogant), which allowed me to better represent myself and ask questions that I would have ordinarily have been hesitant to ask. Things like how the partnership is structured, how the progression of a fee earner is structured, and why the firm I'm interviewing at believes they are superior to the other offers I have (both as an enterprise and in terms of my own professional growth). </p><p></p><p>Secondly, I think there is an element of politics. Many of my friends (and myself) who received offers from top US firms and/or the Magic Circle found that subsequent interviewing firms were more ready to offer us training contracts. This could be explained by the fact that if another competitor firm has vetted the potential trainee, then they should be fairly safe to make such an offer, but it doesn't still quite explain why some people appear to be automatically given a training contract the day after the interview (when they typically advertise a much longer consideration period), or have 'upgraded' their vacation scheme offer (at a vacation scheme interview) to an immediate training contract offer. Another thought would be that they don't want to let a strong candidate go to a competitor, which is why the offering firm may take a bet/risk with being aggressive with their offer.</p><p></p><p>Lastly, when I had received my first offer, but notified the firm that I had other training contract interviews lined up, and as a result, I was provided even more access to the first firm's network of lawyers. I was able to have multiple calls with partners and associates about their practice area, training, etc. That kind of information allows you to understand what may make a firm 'good' (in their own eyes), which I could use to inform how I answer questions in my future interviews.</p><p></p><p>Overall, I don't think I felt that I was an exceptional candidate pre-offers that would net as many offers as I did, and I certainly don't think I underwent a metamorphosis in the short time span between my first offer and the next interview. I think if you've covered all the 'things to have' as discussed in this thread, sometimes it may require a little bit of luck for you to have a breakthrough and snowball. </p><p></p><p>I will admit, there are certainly people that are extremely exceptional, and for those types of candidates, I think luck is a negligible factor. They tend to have excellent, top of their cohort achievements, interpersonal skills, etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Romiras, post: 70347, member: 1993"] I've received multiple TC offers (4) and VS offers (10) (and some rejections). Prior to that, I was rejected from most of the first year schemes from the Magic Circle firms / US firms. I think there are clear things to 'check off', if you want to be a strong applicant in the online application form stage. However, beyond that, there's no precise magic formulation (at least from what I have seen from my friends, from those that I have coached and from my own experience). Those guidelines / things to check off that have been mentioned already in this thread are definitely good things to keep in mind when figuring out how you can broadly develop yourself (on paper and in person). I, however, take the view that there is a bit of luck involved in the recruitment process, especially during the interview stage. When I received one offer, I was able to leverage it in future interview in multiple ways: Firstly, I felt that the "negotiating" positions have slightly equalised, and depending on the offer you receive, it may very well put you in a superior position. This resulted in increased confidence (although be cautious of becoming arrogant), which allowed me to better represent myself and ask questions that I would have ordinarily have been hesitant to ask. Things like how the partnership is structured, how the progression of a fee earner is structured, and why the firm I'm interviewing at believes they are superior to the other offers I have (both as an enterprise and in terms of my own professional growth). Secondly, I think there is an element of politics. Many of my friends (and myself) who received offers from top US firms and/or the Magic Circle found that subsequent interviewing firms were more ready to offer us training contracts. This could be explained by the fact that if another competitor firm has vetted the potential trainee, then they should be fairly safe to make such an offer, but it doesn't still quite explain why some people appear to be automatically given a training contract the day after the interview (when they typically advertise a much longer consideration period), or have 'upgraded' their vacation scheme offer (at a vacation scheme interview) to an immediate training contract offer. Another thought would be that they don't want to let a strong candidate go to a competitor, which is why the offering firm may take a bet/risk with being aggressive with their offer. Lastly, when I had received my first offer, but notified the firm that I had other training contract interviews lined up, and as a result, I was provided even more access to the first firm's network of lawyers. I was able to have multiple calls with partners and associates about their practice area, training, etc. That kind of information allows you to understand what may make a firm 'good' (in their own eyes), which I could use to inform how I answer questions in my future interviews. Overall, I don't think I felt that I was an exceptional candidate pre-offers that would net as many offers as I did, and I certainly don't think I underwent a metamorphosis in the short time span between my first offer and the next interview. I think if you've covered all the 'things to have' as discussed in this thread, sometimes it may require a little bit of luck for you to have a breakthrough and snowball. I will admit, there are certainly people that are extremely exceptional, and for those types of candidates, I think luck is a negligible factor. They tend to have excellent, top of their cohort achievements, interpersonal skills, etc. [/QUOTE]
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