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<blockquote data-quote="De novo" data-source="post: 232011" data-attributes="member: 43599"><p>Some GPT notes I had on this if helpful</p><p>P.s. Londoners love Northern accents!</p><h3>What Received Pronunciation ("RP") <em>used</em> to signal</h3><p>Historically, RP functioned as a proxy for:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Education</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Social class</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Institutional authority</li> </ul><p>That linkage has <strong>materially weakened</strong>.</p><h3>What now signals professionalism</h3><p>Today, credibility is driven by:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Precision of language</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Logical structure</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Confidence and control</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Situational awareness</li> </ul><p>Accent ≠ competence.</p><p></p><p>In many sectors, <strong>regional or international accents are now normalised</strong>, including:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Magic Circle / US law firms</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Big Four and mid-tier advisory</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In-house legal and tax teams</li> </ul><h2>The Actual Standard You’re Being Held To</h2><p>The <em>real</em> requirement is not RP, but <strong>intelligibility + control</strong>.</p><p>You are expected to:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Be <strong>clearly understood</strong> by your audience</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Speak at a <strong>measured pace</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Use <strong>professional vocabulary and syntax</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Avoid slang, filler, or informal constructions</li> </ol><p>If those are met, accent is irrelevant.</p><p></p><h2>What You <em>Do</em> Need (and What You Don’t)</h2><h3>You do NOT need:</h3> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">RP vowel shaping</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Upper-middle-class intonation</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Accent suppression or mimicry</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A “BBC voice”</li> </ul><p>Trying to force RP often:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sounds artificial</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Reduces fluency</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Undermines confidence</li> </ul><h3>You DO need:</h3> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Neutralised <strong>pronunciation of key technical words</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Controlled <strong>pace and emphasis</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Clean <strong>sentence endings</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Reduced <strong>phonetic ambiguity</strong></li> </ul><h2>Practical “Workaround”: Accent Neutralisation, Not Accent Erasure</h2><p>This is the professional solution used by many senior advisers.</p><h3>Prioritise <em>Clarity over Accent</em></h3><p>Focus on:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fully pronouncing consonants (especially word endings)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Avoiding dropped syllables in technical terms</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Separating words cleanly (no rushing)</li> </ul><h3>Control Pace and Pausing</h3><p>A slower pace:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Increases perceived authority</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Improves comprehension</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Reduces accent salience</li> </ul><p>Strategic pauses signal confidence, not hesitation.</p><h2>The Reality of Bias (and How to Handle It)</h2><p>It would be naïve to say accent bias does not exist. It can.</p><p>However:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bias attaches more to <strong>perceived uncertainty</strong> than accent itself</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Confidence + clarity neutralise most bias</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Overcompensating (forcing RP) often <em>triggers</em> bias</li> </ul><p>Senior professionals with strong regional accents succeed because:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">They speak decisively</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">They don’t apologise for their voice</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">They command the subject matter</li> </ul><h2>A Useful Internal Rule</h2><p>A strong heuristic for professional speech:</p><p></p><p></p><p>You do <strong>not</strong> need Received Pronunciation.</p><p>You need:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Clear speech</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Professional language</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Controlled delivery</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Confidence in content</li> </ul><p>Accent is part of identity. <strong>Professionalism is behavioural, not phonetic</strong>.</p><h3>What “accent salience” means</h3><p><strong>Accent salience</strong> is how much the listener’s attention is drawn to your accent as a “feature” rather than to your message.</p><p></p><p>If your accent is salient, the listener is more aware of:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Your pronunciation differences</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Your rhythm/intonation</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Your identity cues</li> </ul><p>If your accent is less salient, the listener is primarily aware of:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Your reasoning</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Your structure</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Your confidence</li> </ul><p>This does <strong>not</strong> mean your accent disappears. It means it stops being “foregrounded.”</p><p></p><h4>What increases accent salience</h4> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Rushing</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mumbled endings</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Unstable volume</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Upspeak (rising tone at ends of statements)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Frequent fillers</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Over-correction (trying to “do RP” mid-sentence)</li> </ul><h4>What decreases accent salience</h4> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Pace control</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Clear word boundaries</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Clean sentence endings</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Structured speech</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Strong content vocabulary</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Calm, consistent tone</strong></li> </ul><p>The counterintuitive piece: <strong>structure is one of the strongest accent-salience reducers</strong> because it gives the brain a predictable map.</p><h3>Why bias effects feel so powerful to the recipient (imposter syndrome, unconscious bias, etc.)</h3><p>This is a deep point. Bias is powerful not only because of the external behaviour, but because it interacts with the recipient’s internal threat systems and meaning-making.</p><h3>A. The brain treats social evaluation as a threat problem</h3><p>Humans are highly sensitive to:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">rejection</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">status loss</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">exclusion</li> </ul><p>These are processed by the nervous system as survival-relevant. So even subtle cues—tone, interruption, dismissiveness—can trigger a threat response (fight/flight/freeze), which in turn:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">speeds speech</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">reduces working memory</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">increases error rate</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">makes you second-guess</li> </ul><p>Then a vicious cycle can form:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">you sense bias or dismissal</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">your body activates threat state</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">your delivery becomes less controlled</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">the other person reads that as uncertainty</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">they become more dismissive</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">you conclude “I’m not good enough”</li> </ol><p>That is how external bias and internal imposter syndrome can reinforce each other.</p><p></p><h3>B. “Attributional ambiguity” is psychologically expensive</h3><p>When someone treats you dismissively, you often can’t tell:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Is it me?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Is it them?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Is it time pressure?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Is it bias?</li> </ul><p>That uncertainty is mentally draining. It leads to rumination and self-monitoring, which consumes cognitive resources you could otherwise use for performance.</p><p></p><h3>C. Identity threat amplifies perception and cost</h3><p>If you suspect a negative stereotype is in play (accent, ethnicity, background), you may experience:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">heightened self-consciousness</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">performance anxiety</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">over-monitoring of speech</li> </ul><p>This can reduce fluency even if your underlying capability is strong.</p><p></p><p>So yes: the recipient impact is not “imagined.” It is a plausible interaction of (i) social threat response + (ii) uncertainty about cause + (iii) identity meaning.</p><p></p><h3>“Reduced phonetic ambiguity”: what it means, and before/after examples</h3><p><strong>Phonetic ambiguity</strong> is when the sounds you produce could plausibly be interpreted as multiple different words or endings, especially in fast professional speech.</p><p>In conversations - especially with people who are busy or distracted - listeners often:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">half-listen</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">look at their phone or screen</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">focus on the <em>overall idea</em>, not every word</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">make quick judgments about confidence</li> </ul><p>It’s not about accent “correctness.” It’s about <strong>preventing misunderstanding</strong> at speed.</p><p></p><p>So if your word endings blur or your syllables collapse, the listener’s brain fills gaps with assumptions. That increases the probability you get misheard, interrupted, or asked to repeat yourself - which then makes you <em>feel</em> more anxious.</p><p></p><p><strong>Minimal daily practice (non-accent-changing) - expanded</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>1. The “sentence landing” drill (2 minutes)</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>What to do</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Read any paragraph aloud.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Put <em>slight emphasis</em> on the <strong>final word</strong> of each sentence.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Let your voice drop slightly at the end (not dramatically).</li> </ul><p><strong>Why it helps</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Trailing off is often read as uncertainty.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Clean sentence endings signal confidence, even when content is cautious.</li> </ul><p><strong>Check</strong></p><p>Ask yourself: <em>Did the sentence feel finished, or did it fade away?</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><h3></h3><p></p><p></p><h3></h3></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="De novo, post: 232011, member: 43599"] Some GPT notes I had on this if helpful P.s. Londoners love Northern accents! [HEADING=2]What Received Pronunciation ("RP") [I]used[/I] to signal[/HEADING] Historically, RP functioned as a proxy for: [LIST] [*]Education [*]Social class [*]Institutional authority [/LIST] That linkage has [B]materially weakened[/B]. [HEADING=2]What now signals professionalism[/HEADING] Today, credibility is driven by: [LIST] [*]Precision of language [*]Logical structure [*]Confidence and control [*]Situational awareness [/LIST] Accent ≠ competence. In many sectors, [B]regional or international accents are now normalised[/B], including: [LIST] [*]Magic Circle / US law firms [*]Big Four and mid-tier advisory [*]In-house legal and tax teams [/LIST] [HEADING=1]The Actual Standard You’re Being Held To[/HEADING] The [I]real[/I] requirement is not RP, but [B]intelligibility + control[/B]. You are expected to: [LIST=1] [*]Be [B]clearly understood[/B] by your audience [*]Speak at a [B]measured pace[/B] [*]Use [B]professional vocabulary and syntax[/B] [*]Avoid slang, filler, or informal constructions [/LIST] If those are met, accent is irrelevant. [HEADING=1]What You [I]Do[/I] Need (and What You Don’t)[/HEADING] [HEADING=2]You do NOT need:[/HEADING] [LIST] [*]RP vowel shaping [*]Upper-middle-class intonation [*]Accent suppression or mimicry [*]A “BBC voice” [/LIST] Trying to force RP often: [LIST] [*]Sounds artificial [*]Reduces fluency [*]Undermines confidence [/LIST] [HEADING=2]You DO need:[/HEADING] [LIST] [*]Neutralised [B]pronunciation of key technical words[/B] [*]Controlled [B]pace and emphasis[/B] [*]Clean [B]sentence endings[/B] [*]Reduced [B]phonetic ambiguity[/B] [/LIST] [HEADING=1]Practical “Workaround”: Accent Neutralisation, Not Accent Erasure[/HEADING] This is the professional solution used by many senior advisers. [HEADING=2]Prioritise [I]Clarity over Accent[/I][/HEADING] Focus on: [LIST] [*]Fully pronouncing consonants (especially word endings) [*]Avoiding dropped syllables in technical terms [*]Separating words cleanly (no rushing) [/LIST] [HEADING=2]Control Pace and Pausing[/HEADING] A slower pace: [LIST] [*]Increases perceived authority [*]Improves comprehension [*]Reduces accent salience [/LIST] Strategic pauses signal confidence, not hesitation. [HEADING=1]The Reality of Bias (and How to Handle It)[/HEADING] It would be naïve to say accent bias does not exist. It can. However: [LIST] [*]Bias attaches more to [B]perceived uncertainty[/B] than accent itself [*]Confidence + clarity neutralise most bias [*]Overcompensating (forcing RP) often [I]triggers[/I] bias [/LIST] Senior professionals with strong regional accents succeed because: [LIST] [*]They speak decisively [*]They don’t apologise for their voice [*]They command the subject matter [/LIST] [HEADING=1]A Useful Internal Rule[/HEADING] A strong heuristic for professional speech: You do [B]not[/B] need Received Pronunciation. You need: [LIST] [*]Clear speech [*]Professional language [*]Controlled delivery [*]Confidence in content [/LIST] Accent is part of identity. [B]Professionalism is behavioural, not phonetic[/B]. [HEADING=2]What “accent salience” means[/HEADING] [B]Accent salience[/B] is how much the listener’s attention is drawn to your accent as a “feature” rather than to your message. If your accent is salient, the listener is more aware of: [LIST] [*]Your pronunciation differences [*]Your rhythm/intonation [*]Your identity cues [/LIST] If your accent is less salient, the listener is primarily aware of: [LIST] [*]Your reasoning [*]Your structure [*]Your confidence [/LIST] This does [B]not[/B] mean your accent disappears. It means it stops being “foregrounded.” [HEADING=3]What increases accent salience[/HEADING] [LIST] [*]Rushing [*]Mumbled endings [*]Unstable volume [*]Upspeak (rising tone at ends of statements) [*]Frequent fillers [*]Over-correction (trying to “do RP” mid-sentence) [/LIST] [HEADING=3]What decreases accent salience[/HEADING] [LIST] [*][B]Pace control[/B] [*][B]Clear word boundaries[/B] [*][B]Clean sentence endings[/B] [*][B]Structured speech[/B] [*][B]Strong content vocabulary[/B] [*][B]Calm, consistent tone[/B] [/LIST] The counterintuitive piece: [B]structure is one of the strongest accent-salience reducers[/B] because it gives the brain a predictable map. [HEADING=2]Why bias effects feel so powerful to the recipient (imposter syndrome, unconscious bias, etc.)[/HEADING] This is a deep point. Bias is powerful not only because of the external behaviour, but because it interacts with the recipient’s internal threat systems and meaning-making. [HEADING=2]A. The brain treats social evaluation as a threat problem[/HEADING] Humans are highly sensitive to: [LIST] [*]rejection [*]status loss [*]exclusion [/LIST] These are processed by the nervous system as survival-relevant. So even subtle cues—tone, interruption, dismissiveness—can trigger a threat response (fight/flight/freeze), which in turn: [LIST] [*]speeds speech [*]reduces working memory [*]increases error rate [*]makes you second-guess [/LIST] Then a vicious cycle can form: [LIST=1] [*]you sense bias or dismissal [*]your body activates threat state [*]your delivery becomes less controlled [*]the other person reads that as uncertainty [*]they become more dismissive [*]you conclude “I’m not good enough” [/LIST] That is how external bias and internal imposter syndrome can reinforce each other. [HEADING=2]B. “Attributional ambiguity” is psychologically expensive[/HEADING] When someone treats you dismissively, you often can’t tell: [LIST] [*]Is it me? [*]Is it them? [*]Is it time pressure? [*]Is it bias? [/LIST] That uncertainty is mentally draining. It leads to rumination and self-monitoring, which consumes cognitive resources you could otherwise use for performance. [HEADING=2]C. Identity threat amplifies perception and cost[/HEADING] If you suspect a negative stereotype is in play (accent, ethnicity, background), you may experience: [LIST] [*]heightened self-consciousness [*]performance anxiety [*]over-monitoring of speech [/LIST] This can reduce fluency even if your underlying capability is strong. So yes: the recipient impact is not “imagined.” It is a plausible interaction of (i) social threat response + (ii) uncertainty about cause + (iii) identity meaning. [HEADING=2]“Reduced phonetic ambiguity”: what it means, and before/after examples[/HEADING] [B]Phonetic ambiguity[/B] is when the sounds you produce could plausibly be interpreted as multiple different words or endings, especially in fast professional speech. In conversations - especially with people who are busy or distracted - listeners often: [LIST] [*]half-listen [*]look at their phone or screen [*]focus on the [I]overall idea[/I], not every word [*]make quick judgments about confidence [/LIST] It’s not about accent “correctness.” It’s about [B]preventing misunderstanding[/B] at speed. So if your word endings blur or your syllables collapse, the listener’s brain fills gaps with assumptions. That increases the probability you get misheard, interrupted, or asked to repeat yourself - which then makes you [I]feel[/I] more anxious. [B]Minimal daily practice (non-accent-changing) - expanded 1. The “sentence landing” drill (2 minutes) What to do[/B] [LIST] [*]Read any paragraph aloud. [*]Put [I]slight emphasis[/I] on the [B]final word[/B] of each sentence. [*]Let your voice drop slightly at the end (not dramatically). [/LIST] [B]Why it helps[/B] [LIST] [*]Trailing off is often read as uncertainty. [*]Clean sentence endings signal confidence, even when content is cautious. [/LIST] [B]Check[/B] Ask yourself: [I]Did the sentence feel finished, or did it fade away?[/I] [HEADING=2][/HEADING] [HEADING=2][/HEADING] [/QUOTE]
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