Realistic chances of converting a US firm VS + tips?

Hello @Abbie Whitlock ! This has sort of a weird question but I'll divide my whole post into three parts:

i) What does a group research task and a partner presentation entail and how do you go about it? What are some common themes that come up?
ii) Since there are around 3 months before my VS, what should I do to prepare? I know commercial awareness is perhaps one of the bigger ones but is there something else I can work on?
iii) I am going to be taking part in a VS where roughly 30% of the applicants get a TC. However I realise that realistically the chances are much higher because there are people who take up TCs at other firms or do something totally weird where the firm is put off by them or theyre just extremely not good enough. Am I right in thinking this is the case? (I understand its not healthy to be fixated on numbers but I am neurodivergent and this is one of the ways I cope haha)

I'd love any and all perspective on this, thank you!
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2 vacation scheme offers

Hi all, I am looking for some advice on vacation schemes. I’ve received two VS offers:
  • Firm A: only runs a spring vacation scheme
  • Firm B: offered me a summer vacation scheme (even though I said my preference was spring)
I like both firms, but I’m currently leaning slightly towards Firm B.

My question is: If I do Firm A’s spring scheme and (hopefully) get a TC offer from them, would it be acceptable to still do Firm B’s summer scheme? Or is that generally contractually restricted? Could I perhaps ask for more time before accepting Firm A's offer?

I’m aware it might sound silly not to just accept a TC offer if I get one, but I’d really like to keep my options open if possible — while also not risking ending up with no offer at all. Has anyone been in a similar position, or knows what the usual practice is with US law firms in London?


Thanks so much!

SWOT/PESTLE for Interview

When you do a commercial case study I've read a lot of stuff about SWOT/PESTLE. Are they expecting you to be able to suggest stories from the news eg knowledge of something political going on, a particular industry trend, etc. which might affect the business in question, or do they want you to just mention that there may be external political factors which could be relevant (and basically give no detail), or alternatively would they give specific details of these in the case study and then just want you to comment on the impacts? This is for a first year scheme if that makes a difference...
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Discouraged with reapplying: Seeking advice and new perspectives

First time creating an account and posting, I've frequently lurked the popular threads here. As per the title, I'm very discouraged (putting it mildly!) and looking for some support or advice, or just a second opinion from another perspective (especially reapplicants and those more experienced).

I'm struggling a ton with the belief that I really should already have a TC (not speaking in an entitled way or thinking I deserve one, more so there's something innately wrong with me for not getting one by now): I have a fairly strong academic profile (good RG uni), completed one vac scheme each at a city firm (not MC/SC but pretty reputable) last cycle and the one before. I didn't convert either to a TC and the more recent one really damaged my mental health as I tried so hard and the feedback made it clear there was nothing I could have done differently without hindsight knowledge. It doesn't help that all of my peers (from school, uni, people I met at vac schemes/open days) had very smooth-sailing TC journeys e.g. getting a TC during their 1st/2nd cycle with 10ish applications or after just one VS. Upon hearing that I didn't convert my VS, the response was always that I did something wrong or had a horrible failing, which really puts me off reaching out to friends who are also in law so I feel more alone than ever. I try to stay optimistic and not compare myself but pretty much everyone I met at the two VS secured a TC either that cycle or soon after. If people with less privileged academic backgrounds or people working full-time whilst applying can secure TCs, I really have no excuse.

This is my 4th application cycle and my first year not doing a full-time course whilst applying so I really thought I had a good chance now, I applied to many more firms than previous years (50+ in total, almost every firm I could find and which sponsored international students) but still had less success despite trying to incorporate feedback from past applications. It doesn't help that I'm an international student so I can only apply to visa sponsors and this intl status disadvantages me (though I'm not sure exactly how much it factors into decisions/the scoring system).

This cycle I was already rejected from all the firms I applied to in Dec and earlier. I completed 2 ACs and 1 final-stage interview (like AC except it's just an interview for the final stage pre-VS), rejected the day after the first AC (but I expected that, it was a MC-tier firm and most people there were Oxbridge and clearly very bright). That same week (end-Jan/start-Feb) and the day before my 2nd and most recent AC I got the rejection following the interview, which I thought went ok and had hope for. I'm still waiting to hear back for the second AC but I definitely feel like I did badly at the interview, worse than the first AC, so there's no way I will get the VS and I just want to get the rejection over with. It has been 2+ weeks and they said they would get back to us by late Feb and that some may hear earlier, so I have basically lost hope.

I applied to a few more firms after Dec and haven't heard from most yet (already 2 rejections post-app and 1 rejection today post-TI), and these are mostly US firms which rarely take me past app stage. I also saw in discussion threads that some sent out interview invites 1-2 weeks ago, as I had guessed.

I'm not sure if this is a sign to give up and that I'm just not good enough to get a TC – of course I know it's competitive and perfectly normal to go through a few cycles before getting one, but for context I just completed my LLM (non-law undergrad, PGDL and LLM immediately after) so I'm not exactly ahead of the curve. I did one AC last cycle and got the VS from that but seem to be having much less success at interviews this year and I don't know why because I've only tried to make improvements to my style, prep strategy etc. I got past app stage for an okay number of firms this cycle but always got cut after the next few stages (job simulations and VIs are my downfall, and my profile doesn't stand out enough for firms which give out interviews straight after app stage).

I know that application processes are getting more difficult and competitive, is there any point in trying again for a 5th cycle or is this a sign to give up? What is the point in reapplying to the same firms if I couldn't get in this time round? Maybe 2 failed VS means I am not suited to this career? I cannot think of any ways in which I could reliably improve my method/strategy/interview style etc that will put me in a better position and very much feel like I'm past my prime in terms of energy, optimism, how much I'm ahead of the curve etc. I still have a (very) few DTC applications to do but I feel so discouraged and these are firms that turned me down last cycle so I'm not hopeful.

Apologies for the ramble; I don't know if this will be seen or if this post will come off the wrong way (perhaps I'm not very self-aware), but would like a second perspective or just some hope and to get my thoughts down on the page as I'm really unable to talk about this with anyone I know in real life (as per the above) and I have internalised my thoughts about this so deeply that my view may be warped.

Application question on a deal

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if any of you have some advice on how I should approach this application question:

Discuss a deal that [firm] has advised on. What do you think were the strategic considerations and complexities involved, and how did the firm navigate them?

I’m a bit unsure what they’re really looking for in terms of “strategic considerations”. Should I be framing it primarily from the client’s objectives and commercial goals (e.g. what the client was trying to achieve and how the firm helped them get there), and/or should I also discuss the different teams within the firm that would have collaborated on the matter?

I’m also finding that for most deals there seems to be quite limited public information available. Has anyone found a good way of getting more detail beyond the firm’s press release?

Would really appreciate any tips on this kind of question.

Shipping and Maritime law firms update

Has anyone heard back from Watson Farley & Williams, Stephenson Harwood, HFW, Penningtons Manches Cooper, Preston Turnbull following interviews/applications this cycle?

I’m particularly interested in shipping/maritime-focused firms and would be helpful to understand whether timelines are moving as expected this year.

Also curious whether anyone has found firms placing greater emphasis on finance knowledge or sanctions awareness this year?

Thank you.

Has anyone heard of a case of successfully leveraging a VS offer from one firm to advantage applications at another?

Hi everyone, I hope this finds you well.

As the title says, has anyone heard of a case of successfully leveraging a VS offer from one firm to advantage applications at another?

I.e. sending an email to grad rec explaining that you've received a VS offer for the same period, have x weeks to confirm, but are very keen on their firm and wondering if they are still considering your application.

Looking for Advice, feeling defeated

Long-time lurker, this is my first time posting.

I'm not sure how to begin this post, so I will start with some context. I am currently a Canadian 23M and have been applying for vacation schemes in the UK for the past 6-ish months. I graduated from a dual degree business program between a university here in Canada and another one in China (graduated with a high 2.1 or 1st, depending on what conversion scale you use). Last year, I was able to secure a vacation scheme with a top 5 global firm last year in London, which was a great experience and frankly confirmed my decision to start my legal career in the UK rather than Canada. I am currently self-sponsored and hold an HPI visa. Hope this paints a clearer picture.

To put it plainly, this last recruitment cycle has been brutal, and I haven't had nearly the same success I did last time. Although it isn't the end of the world, because I currently have a full-time job in a bank here in Canada, I am just a bit lost on what to do next. I feel so utterly defeated by my lack of success this recruitment cycle; however, I still remain certain that I want to be a commercial solicitor. I am currently still applying, and in the process for some, its just been one PFO after another.

Most of the advice on this forum seems to be tailored towards people with established legal careers looking to lateral or having graduated from a UK university and then applying from there. It feels as though I am at such a strategic disadvantage applying from Canada, but I know that packing my things up and just moving to the UK isn't much of an option either. I am not going to quit trying, but I feel rather helpless in my current situation.

My question to the community: What can I do to bring myself one step closer to this career goal?
https://www.reddit.com/submit/?source_id=t3_1r1j9p0

VS competitiveness

I'm a student in my second year of VS applications, and have noticed the stark difference between applying for VS's this year vs last year.

For context I'm applying for a mix of national and silver circle firms. Last year I applied for about 8-10 firms and got through the first stage for all of them bar 1. This year I am struggling applying to a similar number but struggling to get past stage 1 for many firms. Since the last cycle my CV has greatly improved and my grades went from thirds/2:2s (mitigating circumstances) to high 2:1s at a RG uni. I recognise that I'm not entitled to a VS and the process is meant to be testing.

I am not looking for advice, since I have made it to third/fourth round for some even larger firms / grad schemes and still feel determined to push through the rejections, but I feel like the volume of competition is much more obvious this year, almost all rejection emails also stating they had an 'unprecedented level'of applications (of course this is most likely just corporate jargon). I applied for a local firm with one office and they had 500 applications for 45 places. Another firm with one office (althougth based in London) had a 50% yearly increase in applications.

I know that obviously the volume of VS/TC seekers naturally increases year upon year, but it seems to be more than I anticipated. Has anybody else noticed this, or was I just blissfully ignorant in my first cycle?
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Freeths - Legal Assistant Graduate Programme

Hi!!

As an Oxford Girlie with veeryyy limited opportunties in oxford I am looking at the Freeths Graduates programme for either Legal Assistant/Legal Graduate!
Does anyone have any experience in this, any advice on which path to take (as both seem to be around more or less the same day-to-day tasks and for graduates), and what would make an application stand out considering there is limited information online compared to other firms?

Thank you!

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