TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

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So the transactional law firms have open days that open up in about Sep (though check each firm’s website to be sure). They tend to almost always cover an intro to their core practices (M&A/PE), and some even go through fictitious case studies with candidates to help them better know how these things work. Examples: Latham Kirkland.

As for where to find them, they’re usually located on the firm‘s grad rec site. Sometimes members of their early careers team tend to repost on LinkedIn too.

If you want to know more about these practices, there are loads of sources here on TCLA too. I’ve linked them below to help. The content in TCLA’s premium package also contains loads on these.



Thanks so much Amma, I really appreciate this :)
 
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Hi, I’m currently doing a vacation scheme and I don’t think it’s going well. For context it’s a week. Yesterday I was quite shy. I spoke to people and tried to ask insightful questions but I was scared shitless. I also had a task which had no due date and only had 2 hours to do it. I stayed late but still didn’t complete it and when I asked when it’s due they said tomorrow is fine. Today I went in early to recap on a tech talk that I missed 10 mins of due to it issues. I feel like I also ask a lot of questions about how to do things to my supervisor and ask for help quite a lot. Yesterday I had some attention to detail issues but I have started to ask less and less. At the end of today I started to get more confident and I have 3 coffee chats booked and had one today with a member of my team which they invited me on. When in meetings and getting tasks I try and show an interest of the wider topic but I’m in a dept I haven’t studied so I’m really struggling. Does anyone have any words of wisdom of what to do? Any tips please!! What should I do to stand out I feel I’ve blended into the background a bit.
 
all technical (law school module ques, they are quite easy if you’re a law student or have law experience) and competency ques (a very good number of them) - no motivation and commercial ques but it’s good to put what you know about news in the technical ques!
I see. Thank you. When you mean technical did they ask about Insurance/Construction legislation, cases and concepts eg warranty?
 

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    Hi, I’m currently doing a vacation scheme and I don’t think it’s going well. For context it’s a week. Yesterday I was quite shy. I spoke to people and tried to ask insightful questions but I was scared shitless. I also had a task which had no due date and only had 2 hours to do it. I stayed late but still didn’t complete it and when I asked when it’s due they said tomorrow is fine. Today I went in early to recap on a tech talk that I missed 10 mins of due to it issues. I feel like I also ask a lot of questions about how to do things to my supervisor and ask for help quite a lot. Yesterday I had some attention to detail issues but I have started to ask less and less. At the end of today I started to get more confident and I have 3 coffee chats booked and had one today with a member of my team which they invited me on. When in meetings and getting tasks I try and show an interest of the wider topic but I’m in a dept I haven’t studied so I’m really struggling. Does anyone have any words of wisdom of what to do? Any tips please!! What should I do to stand out I feel I’ve blended into the background a bit.
    Hi there, I can align with how you feel here. It's normal to feel shy and scared - it can be a daunting environment. Don't shy away from asking the questions you want to ask and don't be afraid of thinking that your question isn't insightful enough. The point of the vacation scheme is to build your knowledge and understanding of the firm, the work they do, and the people in it.

    If it takes you longer to do a task, that's expected. They don't expect you to have seen a contract or any form of formal document before. If you need help, say it. You're not expected to know what to do immediately or how to do it. Even I'm in my learning phase right now and constantly absorbing new things or methods of doing things - so are those more senior to me.

    IT issues are part and parcel of the job. It happens. Don't overthink it.

    It's normal to ask a lot of questions to your supervisor - it's part of the learning experience. It's better to ask and clarify and get it right than to not ask, get it wrong and have to redo it. I'm a trainee buddy now for one of the vacation scheme students at the firm and he's asked me loads of questions about the task, but that is both expected and appreciated. Even in my day-to-day, if it's not told to me at the outset, I still ask questions even though I know what the answer will likely be just so I can be sure that is what/how they want me to do it. No one ever had an issue with me asking too many questions. If you feel like you need clarification, ask.

    Attention to detail is developed over time, but no one catches everything and nothing is perfect.

    Show an interest in the department and the work. You're not expected to know it in and out. Back when I did my vacation scheme, it was in a department I had zero prior knowledge about, and it was a very complex area of practice as well. I showed up anyways - asked questions and used what I know to try and understand what I don't.

    Enthusiasm to learn and being keen in taking task and giving it your all is how you stand out.

    Hope this helps!
     

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    Okay, I was just a bit confused as I had seen it be recommended to introduce yourself via LinkedIn earlier in this forum so I thought that was common practice. Thank you for clearing that up.
    That's not necessary. At the firm I'm training at, we (the trainee buddies) reach out to the vacation schemers and supervisors do the same as well. In any case, as already said, you get to know them over the course of your scheme anyways. No need to stress about it.
     
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    Amma Usman

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    Hi there, I can align with how you feel here. It's normal to feel shy and scared - it can be a daunting environment. Don't shy away from asking the questions you want to ask and don't be afraid of thinking that your question isn't insightful enough. The point of the vacation scheme is to build your knowledge and understanding of the firm, the work they do, and the people in it.

    If it takes you longer to do a task, that's expected. They don't expect you to have seen a contract or any form of formal document before. If you need help, say it. You're not expected to know what to do immediately or how to do it. Even I'm in my learning phase right now and constantly absorbing new things or methods of doing things - so are those more senior to me.

    IT issues are part and parcel of the job. It happens. Don't overthink it.

    It's normal to ask a lot of questions to your supervisor - it's part of the learning experience. It's better to ask and clarify and get it right than to not ask, get it wrong and have to redo it. I'm a trainee buddy now for one of the vacation scheme students at the firm and he's asked me loads of questions about the task, but that is both expected and appreciated. Even in my day-to-day, if it's not told to me at the outset, I still ask questions even though I know what the answer will likely be just so I can be sure that is what/how they want me to do it. No one ever had an issue with me asking too many questions. If you feel like you need clarification, ask.

    Attention to detail is developed over time, but no one catches everything and nothing is perfect.

    Show an interest in the department and the work. You're not expected to know it in and out. Back when I did my vacation scheme, it was in a department I had zero prior knowledge about, and it was a very complex area of practice as well. I showed up anyways - asked questions and used what I know to try and understand what I don't.

    Enthusiasm to learn and being keen in taking task and giving it your all is how you stand out.

    Hope this helps!

    Thank you so much for this @RANDOTRON - it’s really amazing and lovely advice! On a side note, I also really love your username haha!

    @Kakaboo , nobody expects you to know everything - the most important part of preliminary stages like vacation schemes is to just throw yourself out there and ask as many questions as possible. People are most of the time really happy to give up their time and this helps you swim! If you don‘t ask those questions, you may end up being perceived as disengaged, which affects your chances. Think less about the tiny details (though I appreciate this may not be the easiest thing to do), and more about making the most of being surrounded by a plethora of legal talent! Ask questions; those coffee chats you’ve scheduled are great - ask questions you won‘t see online! Ask about how a deal was from the perspective of those actually working on it. Ask more personable questions like any challenges lawyers may have faced, and how they overcame it. Socialise with people on your vacation scheme - these will become your fellow colleagues and also professional contacts down the line. And above all, just have a really amazing time, you so deserve it!
     

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    are there any good podcast recs? i'm tired of reading articles lmao

    Just following up on this. I totally get how the feeling of reading many articles can be, especially when new to that. When I was new to that, I found it really challenging to digest what was going on, and most especially how it applied to law firms and their clients - something really important to be able to do. I then took the executive decision to refrain from reading long-winded articles that had contained complex details and many words I didn’t even know. I spent some time building commercial awareness more, which contrary to what some may think, isn’t just about reading articles - it‘s also about knowing certain definitions, basic economic concepts and how they link to businesses, etc. I literally brought out again my old IGCSE Business Studies and Economics textbooks. These helped greatly clarify those early stage concepts. Once I was confident in these, and also confident in practicing with more summarised articles and easy-to-digest pieces of news data, commercial awareness became by bestie (well sort of, seeing as it’s a muscle that needs constant flexing).

    So my main advice when it gets tough - step back, rewire your approach, and build upwards. Before you know it, in just a couple of months, you will get to where you need to be to excel in those applications and interviews.
     
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    Hi, I’m currently doing a vacation scheme and I don’t think it’s going well. For context it’s a week. Yesterday I was quite shy. I spoke to people and tried to ask insightful questions but I was scared shitless. I also had a task which had no due date and only had 2 hours to do it. I stayed late but still didn’t complete it and when I asked when it’s due they said tomorrow is fine. Today I went in early to recap on a tech talk that I missed 10 mins of due to it issues. I feel like I also ask a lot of questions about how to do things to my supervisor and ask for help quite a lot. Yesterday I had some attention to detail issues but I have started to ask less and less. At the end of today I started to get more confident and I have 3 coffee chats booked and had one today with a member of my team which they invited me on. When in meetings and getting tasks I try and show an interest of the wider topic but I’m in a dept I haven’t studied so I’m really struggling. Does anyone have any words of wisdom of what to do? Any tips please!! What should I do to stand out I feel I’ve blended into the background a bit.

    Hey. I just want to add to my past advice on this. I do not think staying past your regular working hours is advisable at vacation scheme stage. I do not suspect any firm will give you work which cannot be completed within the normal working day - or at least, you can carry it over to the next day depending on priority. Completing it within the normal working day is even beneficial as it shows better efficiency, organisational management, and an understanding of the task at hand. If there’s anything you need clarification on to help speed up your efficiency, ask your supervisor/ anyone else in the team that may be able to accurately help if your supervisor is busy.
     
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    Just following up on this. I totally get how the feeling of reading many articles can be, especially when new to that. When I was new to that, I found it really challenging to digest what was going on, and most especially how it applied to law firms and their clients - something really important to be able to do. I then took the executive decision to refrain from reading long-winded articles that had contained complex details and many words I didn’t even know. I spent some time building commercial awareness more, which contrary to what some may think, isn’t just about reading articles - it‘s also about knowing certain definitions, basic economic concepts and how they link to businesses, etc. I literally brought out again my old IGCSE Business Studies and Economics textbooks. These helped greatly clarify those early stage concepts. Once I was confident in these, and also confident in practicing with more summarised articles and easy-to-digest pieces of news data, commercial awareness became by bestie (well sort of, seeing as it’s a muscle that needs constant flexing).

    So my main advice when it gets tough - step back, rewire your approach, and build upwards. Before you know it, in just a couple of months, you will get to where you need to be to excel in those applications and interviews.
    Thanks Amma! One last thing — am I doing commercial awareness “correctly” by focussing on just PE and M&A? I haven’t looked at anything else really and am only comfortable knowing the terms and breaking it down/ knowing the role of commercial solicitors/ wider context in these areas
     

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    Thanks Amma! One last thing — am I doing commercial awareness “correctly” by focussing on just PE and M&A? I haven’t looked at anything else really and am only comfortable knowing the terms and breaking it down/ knowing the role of commercial solicitors/ wider context in these areas

    You’re welcome. And this is a really good question.

    To start off with, there is no “correct” way to approach commercial awareness. Many approaches work and there is no “one size fits all” blueprint. Your approach is certainly solid as these two topics tend to come up heavily in the process, especially for transactional-focused law firms, and it’s helpful knowing them anyway as they link to a lot of industries. Just to flag, law firms that are not transactional-heavy may also ask such questions to test a candidate’s ability to know this side too.

    Though, definitely expand your approach - explore the full range of practices and what they do. I’ve linked a thread I made on this in the past to help - https://www.thecorporatelawacademy.com/forum/threads/guide-law-firm-practice-areas.9404/

    It’s worth also reaching out to people that work in any practices that stand out to you and learn more about them directly from these people. It helps to solidify and tailor your applications better. They will be able to tell you more up-to-date things such as changes currently affecting the sector, changes that could potentially impact clients and why, etc.
     
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