Hi, I totally get your concern! I imagine this is about an upcoming VS. I do think that putting yourself out there is important, as law firms are very people centric. Coffee chats demonstrate a few things - that you are proactive, interested in the firm and its work, and that you’re willing to leave your comfort zone. These are all things that firms look for in trainees. That being said, in my vac schemes I went on very few coffee chats compared to my peers, and still converted. By very few, I mean around 3/4 total. It definitely helps to start by inviting your own supervisor and trainee buddy for a chat, as conversations flow easily due to the nature of your relationship and them seeking to give you advice, etc. I would say that during the VS you should naturally develop an interest in some practice areas, but this doesn’t need to be why you go for a coffee chat. For me, the chats I arranged were not because I was purely interested in the person’s work (although this should come up at some point in the chat!) but rather their background. I am international, so I was naturally drawn to international people at the firms. I think you get the gist, but I’d try to find people you are personally interested in speaking with, as this will make the conversation flow much better. I would try to avoid asking someone for a coffee chat just for the sake of it - I think this can come off as a bit arrogant and lead to some mechanic conversations. So be intentional with it but also don’t stress too much, as you can always ask your supervisor/ buddy for help with these situations. And remember that all of them have been in your position before and know and empathise with what you’re going through, so be kind to yourself ! I am a firm believer of quality over quantity - I think associates are not required to give feedback post vac scheme unless they want to, in which case, if you’ve developed a bond, they are likely to and that’s an extra! Hope this helps.Hi all, hope you are all doing well. I know this has been asked before in the forum but, as an introvert and someone who second guesses every interaction, I wanted to ask how important is it to do a coffee chat or is it something you do not have to do (i.e., could it be a thing on which conversion of the scheme could turn on)?
In previous posts people have said to have talks with people you find interesting or practice areas that stand out to you but, not to sound boring, there is not one person or practice area that I would want to talk about as I am generally interested in all of it rather than just one specific thing. I also also worried that if I do a coffee chat I will fluff it up, say something stupid or just not come across well. As you can tell this is definitely a massive worry of mine!
If anyone has any advice or support, please reach out as I have been thinking about this too much for a while and would love some help/reassurance.
Hi Jaysen, thanks for this. I'm not entirely sure how to phrase this in a call. I'm very attracted to the firm that has offered me a training contract. But I want to do other VSs as it will be beneficial to my career/ ultimate seat choices.Yes, and I'd arrange a call with graduate recruitment.
In particular, some US firms give offers with short time frames ('exploding offers'). This is partly because they don't want strong candidates to accept offers from other firms.
But it's also okay to push back on this and be clear about why it's important to you to extend the deadline. It just depends on how willing the firm is to do this.
I suggest being honest with exactly this information: that you think it will be beneficial to your career. This won't be the first time the firm has heard this.Hi Jaysen, thanks for this. I'm not entirely sure how to phrase this in a call. I'm very attracted to the firm that has offered me a training contract. But I want to do other VSs as it will be beneficial to my career/ ultimate seat choices.
Thank you so much for the long and thought out reply - this is super helpful; and provides a bit of insight into thisl!! I will definitely have to put myself out there and try to diminish my anxiety around the process and try to enjoy the talks. I will definitely ask my trainee buddy for their advice as they have most recently of course gone through the process. I will do some research into who I would be interested to speak too as I agree that having one for the sake of it would be quite painful for both of us haha.Hi, I totally get your concern! I imagine this is about an upcoming VS. I do think that putting yourself out there is important, as law firms are very people centric. Coffee chats demonstrate a few things - that you are proactive, interested in the firm and its work, and that you’re willing to leave your comfort zone. These are all things that firms look for in trainees. That being said, in my vac schemes I went on very few coffee chats compared to my peers, and still converted. By very few, I mean around 3/4 total. It definitely helps to start by inviting your own supervisor and trainee buddy for a chat, as conversations flow easily due to the nature of your relationship and them seeking to give you advice, etc. I would say that during the VS you should naturally develop an interest in some practice areas, but this doesn’t need to be why you go for a coffee chat. For me, the chats I arranged were not because I was purely interested in the person’s work (although this should come up at some point in the chat!) but rather their background. I am international, so I was naturally drawn to international people at the firms. I think you get the gist, but I’d try to find people you are personally interested in speaking with, as this will make the conversation flow much better. I would try to avoid asking someone for a coffee chat just for the sake of it - I think this can come off as a bit arrogant and lead to some mechanic conversations. So be intentional with it but also don’t stress too much, as you can always ask your supervisor/ buddy for help with these situations. And remember that all of them have been in your position before and know and empathise with what you’re going through, so be kind to yourself ! I am a firm believer of quality over quantity - I think associates are not required to give feedback post vac scheme unless they want to, in which case, if you’ve developed a bond, they are likely to and that’s an extra! Hope this helps.
Thank u sm !!!!congrats that's amazing !!!
I personally would accept the Firm B offer as you are still waiting on the result of your AC and if your get the pther VS, I would withdraw as early as possible from Firm B. You probably would not be able to reapply at Firm B for a TC but ultimately this is your career so don't take any risk, accept and withdraw if needed (they would probably take someone else from the reserve list if that happened).Hi guys... I am in a bit of a predicament and wondering what is the best course of action...
So I recieved my VS offer yesterday from Firm B, during the call I explained how I am waiting to hear back from another firm post AC, as they have a clash across one week meaning I need to choose one over the other. Grad Rec were so understanding, however, emphasised that they would need a responce by 5PM tomorrow as onboarding process begins on Monday.
The firm I am waiting on is my first choice, location, practice areas, general culture! However, Firm B are still a top firm of mine and I am really grateful to even be in this sort of predicament. Are you allowed to accept, and then withdraw your place?
We have been told to expect a responce no later week commencing 11th May. If next week, I am extremely fortunate and recieve an offer, is it okay to contact Firm B and let them know I am no longer avaliable for the week I have been allocated to?
I completely understand I may not even be in this situaton and could face a rejection post - ac, however, if I was lucky enough I would want to take the other firms vacation scheme but equally do not want to miss the chance to attend the Firm B one as it would be my first vacation scheme and I do genunely have an interest in the firm and it would be an amazing oppurtunity.
Any insights or advice will be greatly appreciated and valued, whatever they may be! Thank you sm![]()
I don’t have to tell them it’s a vac scheme right? I can’t just take annual leave,Yes I'd take this as annual leave.
One thing to be aware of is that they could say no to the dates you'd like to take leave. This is why I think it is better to tell them upfront that you've already got these dates booked out. But personally I'd wait until you get the offer to tell them (and then tell them straight away).
You can probably just take annual leave (if asked why maybe say a previously arranged engagement or something like that). I wouldn’t outright lie e.g. medical procedure, cause this could come back as dishonest behaviour in the futureI don’t have to tell them it’s a vac scheme right? I can’t just take annual leave,
Ok greatYou can probably just take annual leave (if asked why maybe say a previously arranged engagement or something like that). I wouldn’t outright lie e.g. medical procedure, cause this could come back as dishonest behaviour in the future
I had no idea you could preview a post like this until nowI've shared a few SQE and legal networking tips on a separate TCLA thread. Hope this will be interesting for some!
Nothing to do with SQE, but this was a fun event that expanded my legal horizons...
I spent yesterday at the Inner Temple volunteering with the archive team. I had a fascinating interview with a KC who is a leading expert on sexual violence, and the barristers made me very confident in my decision to follow the solicitor route - it might be hard to find a TC, but pupilage sounds even more challenging!
I work there now- genuinely awesome and has helped a lotNot a VS, but I had just an interview for Citizens Advice. I thought it might be beneficial for my apps as I don’t have a legal experience but I was wondering what you guys think about it
Did the vac scheme last year, happy to helpHi! If anyone has any experience interviewing with Hugh James, please could you message me or like this post? Kind of nervous as it seems to be quite a difficult/technical interview!
Hi yes. Do you mind if I DM you?Hi! Has anyone gotten any updates regarding Stephenson Harwood's Dubai VS?