How on earth did they justify basically giving no one a TC lmao whattt?one scheme last year took 2/23
How on earth did they justify basically giving no one a TC lmao whattt?one scheme last year took 2/23
one scheme last year took 2/23
This is why I'm low key still stressed about getting another vac scheme...it almost feels like getting freshfields alone is SUCH a gamble with the conversion rate being so lowWhat was even the point in running that scheme in the first place lmao. I’m lowkey interested to hear what their excuses were for that. 🥲
i feel like this as a 2nd year undergrad... it's on my mind 24/7Sooo… does anyone have any tips on not being nervous and feeling like time is running out as a graduate LOL?! 😀
Orrick (I believe two years ago) had no one from their vacation scheme convert to tc. All their tc offers were from the DTC...What was even the point in running that scheme in the first place lmao. I’m lowkey interested to hear what their excuses were for that. 🥲
Hello!Does anyone have any advice on how to properly tackle a question asking: ‘how would you ensure you are continuously learning and developing in the role of a trainee associate’? Any help would be appreciated frfr!
So am I supposed to write a master's dissertation with no guarantee that they'll even look into it? 😂Attended Paul, Weiss’s webinar on PE deals today. As much as I found it useful, I’m honestly feeling quite discouraged from applying. Their associate said that we should speak with many people from every firm we’re applying to and how spending a week on an application isn’t enough time (as apparently, the associate speaker spent a whole year on their K&E vac scheme app answers and seemed to be super focused on landing a US TC at a top M&A/PE firm). He basically portrayed the whole process as a multiple year strategy, implying that getting into a firm of this calibre starts in your first year (or at least undergrad), and that working just a week on an application is nothing.
I just don’t see the point of applying if some candidates are this connected to top firms from their first year onwards. I can imagine that a lot of them will have done first year schemes or vac schemes at other firms, while all my experiences are in completely different sectors. On top of that, I did my law degree outside the UK and only decided to go corporate after I graduated, so this whole application world is new to me compared to LLB students in the UK that did first year schemes or were ambassadors etc.
His whole speech, while coming from a place of trying to help, made me think that unless I can back my motivation with very strong PE-related experience or open day at the firm, I might as well not apply. I can very well explain what I know about PE, why I want to work at a transactional firm, etc but honestly can’t compete with the likes of candidates the associate seemed like, given how selective PW and similar firms are.
Basically, my whole profile is very different to the usual successful candidate at firms like PW, K&E etc. so I’m trying to figure out if applying is even worth it. Regarding today’s discussions, I personally think that tailoring application answers makes a huge difference but perhaps trying with firms that are actually paying attention to them and trying to hire diverse people is a better idea.
Any insights?
I assume the DTC offers were given after the Vs was held rather than giving them to DTC applicants and running the VS?Orrick (I believe two years ago) had no one from their vacation scheme convert to tc. All their tc offers were from the DTC...
they took 9/41 from the summer. i know someone that did it and it was just brutalWhat was even the point in running that scheme in the first place lmao. I’m lowkey interested to hear what their excuses were for that. 🥲
I think it’ll be 24th - 1st.When does grad rec usually work over december and january? I'm sure it varies by firm but if anyone has any idea.
Is it usually an, off from this friday until 5th jan type of situation, or working every day except 24th-26th and the 1st.
Second this. Even someone with some PE work and US degree have spent app prep since 1L (first year of law school) to apply for 2L summer associate. By this case I won't apply for these types of PE heavy firms anymore. BYE GIBSON DUNN & PAUL HASTINGS!Attended Paul, Weiss’s webinar on PE deals today. As much as I found it useful, I’m honestly feeling quite discouraged from applying. Their associate said that we should speak with many people from every firm we’re applying to and how spending a week on an application isn’t enough time (as apparently, the associate speaker spent a whole year on their K&E vac scheme app answers and seemed to be super focused on landing a US TC at a top M&A/PE firm). He basically portrayed the whole process as a multiple year strategy, implying that getting into a firm of this calibre starts in your first year (or at least undergrad), and that working just a week on an application is nothing.
I just don’t see the point of applying if some candidates are this connected to top firms from their first year onwards. I can imagine that a lot of them will have done first year schemes or vac schemes at other firms, while all my experiences are in completely different sectors. On top of that, I did my law degree outside the UK and only decided to go corporate after I graduated, so this whole application world is new to me compared to LLB students in the UK that did first year schemes or were ambassadors etc.
His whole speech, while coming from a place of trying to help, made me think that unless I can back my motivation with very strong PE-related experience or open day at the firm, I might as well not apply. I can very well explain what I know about PE, why I want to work at a transactional firm, etc but honestly can’t compete with the likes of candidates the associate seemed like, given how selective PW and similar firms are.
Basically, my whole profile is very different to the usual successful candidate at firms like PW, K&E etc. so I’m trying to figure out if applying is even worth it. Regarding today’sk discussions, I personally think that tailoring application answers makes a huge difference but perhaps trying with firms that are actually paying attention to them and trying to hire diverse people is a better idea.
Any insights?
"5 days? Rookie numbers mate" - @Harvey SpecterI emailed Freshfields for reasonable adjustments (for second stage VI) 5 days ago and have not received an email back but my deadline to submit is tomorrow. I'm so stressed, what do I do!!! I feel like I already told them about my adjustments in my app but I still wanted to complete the form just in case to confirm. should I send an email to the team?
It’s is vey demotivating handing that many vac scheme offers out to then not give Tc’s. I’d be a wreck. People also reject other firms to go to a MC vac scheme so if you had rejected another firm and then saw them conversion rates would’ve been terribly annoyed.they took 9/41 from the summer. i know someone that did it and it was just brutal
Yeah probablyI assume the DTC offers were given after the Vs was held rather than giving them to DTC applicants and running the VS?
That’s what he made it sound like yeah… I just felt very inadequate for their whole graduate recruitment process as I’m a non-UK educated more mature candidate with essentially zero corporate experience. While firms like Reed Smith, Goodwin or even Skadden have more application questions and just seem to be looking for people from diverse backgrounds, perhaps even prioritising different experiences, PW seemed like the kinda firm to target top undergrad students from Oxbridge and London RGs that are fully set on going corporate and might already have some experience. But I couldn’t speak for you, as I said earlier, sometimes it’s just luck and I’m not sure what any of these firms are truly looking for.So am I supposed to write a master's dissertation with no guarantee that they'll even look into it? 😂
They’re applied automatically. No need to wait.I emailed Freshfields for reasonable adjustments (for second stage VI) 5 days ago and have not received an email back but my deadline to submit is tomorrow. I'm so stressed, what do I do!!! I feel like I already told them about my adjustments in my app but I still wanted to complete the form just in case to confirm. should I send an email to the team?
Congrats, when did you hear back from Weil that you passed?Congrats, that’s a really strong position to be in.
For transparency, I passed Weil's assessments, so I’ll share what I found actually mattered at each stage.
The SJT is much more about judgment and commercial common sense than legal knowledge. What helped me was constantly asking:
What’s the most sensible outcome for the client?
What protects the firm’s reputation and manages risk?
What would a good junior actually do in this situation?
Avoid extreme answers. Weil doesn’t want someone who escalates everything, but they also don’t want you acting independently when it’s inappropriate. The strongest answers usually involve prioritising, communicating clearly, and taking responsibility while knowing when to loop someone in.
The VI was intense but fair. A huge focus was on:
Why Weil - not just “US firm” or “high-quality work”, but why this platform, this culture, and this type of responsibility appeals to you
Commercial thinking - they cared much more about how I reasoned through issues than whether I landed on a “perfect” answer
Self-awareness - they were genuinely interested in whether I understood the pace and pressure and had actively chosen it
One thing I think helped was being honest about the intensity of Weil and framing it as something I’m drawn to, rather than trying to downplay it or pretend it’s for everyone.
Happy to answer specific questions if you have them, and best of luck.
Tbh sometimes it’s not the right fit and it shows, it can be a good sign that your strengths might be more appreciated at a different kind of firm. I’m personally not too set on heavy PE/M&A work, it’s just one interest of mine.Second this. Even someone with some PE work and US degree have spent app prep since 1L (first year of law school) to apply for 2L summer associate. By this case I won't apply for these types of PE heavy firms anymore. BYE GIBSON DUNN & PAUL HASTINGS!
Me applying P, W in my first cycle and first app with a day prep is so irrational and lame tbh. I took it as a bait, maybe should do an experiment for smaller firm 🤣 I felt so quirky now when read it back 😆
Yeah my PE work is a minor, whereas my VC work is dominated, it reflects my app outcome so far 😊Tbh sometimes it’s not the right fit and it shows, it can be a good sign that your strengths might be more appreciated at a different kind of firm. I’m personally not too set on heavy PE/M&A work, it’s just one interest of mine.