Omg yay!! So happy for you!! Good luck, I was planning to do mine today but will do it tomorrow morning as I feel like I need more time to prep. Another member emphasised that it is mostly strengths-based so ensure you prepare for these questions more than the typical ‘why law’.VI for ES!! Please any advice on this?
You have a strong profile, but unfortunately yes--luck seems to play an immensely large role even when it comes to top 1% candidates. I have multiple anecdotes of friends or acquaintances who ended up with 4+ VS's and TC offers at absolute top of the market firms (Kirkland, Latham, Davis Polk, W&C, All the MC, etc.) getting 10-20 rejections from 'less competitive' shops.Genuinely wondering what I could be doing wrong at this point. For reference re written applications, I have been told by University careers advisers that I have very strong answers, so this doesn't appear to be the problem.
At undergrad I had one of the top-3 degree scores in one of the top business schools in the country. Now at PGDL, I was similarly top of the class in almost all mock examinations (haven't got any real grades from it yet). I was a national level sportsperson, President of a university sports team, took part in loads of Forage programmes, open days, career dinners, and feel confident with VIs as have done loads of prep and done lots of public speaking in the past. I also have work experience at law firms, as well as across varying fields which should show being well-rounded.
I just can't understand how the rejections can be piling up as much as they are - is luck really as much of a factor as it seems to be?
I can back this. Luck of the draw whether they like you or not. Could be the sound of your opening sentence that puts people off. Can't read the mind of GR, just keep swimming. Flip enough coins and you'll land on heads once.You have a strong profile, but unfortunately yes--luck seems to play an immensely large role even when it comes to top 1% candidates. I have multiple anecdotes of friends or acquaintances who ended up with 4+ VS's and TC offers at absolute top of the market firms (Kirkland, Latham, Davis Polk, W&C, All the MC, etc.) getting 10-20 rejections from 'less competitive' shops.
Application quality also seems hit or miss, had one friend who was a megafan of HSF; attended 3 Open Days/Events, came top in a HSF sponsored negotiations competition, spoke to grad rec, spent ages crafting the best possible app, got trainees and alumni to review (with great feedback), passed the SJT.
Rejected at the first review stage.
By contrast, that same person made an application to Milbank on a whim, barely submitting minutes before the deadline. Spent probably less than an hour on the application. Eventually got the TC there (and at 3 other super tier US/MC firms most would consider more competitive than HSF).
Same guy also got rejected from other US/MC firms, large national firms, SC firms, etc.
Persevere.
Think Goodwin said four weeks post the deadline which was last week so at least we know there’s max a 3 week wait hahaAny invites from Kirkland today?
Anyone heard from the following:
Latham Post stage 2
Goodwin Post app
I genuinely cannot cope with the wait haha🥹
Honestly your posts make me feel far less insane throughout this process so please don’t feel you’re inconveniencing people! Part of the point of this forum is to go insane together❤️@uhfwejdj @Mike Ross 2025 I apologise, I genuinely didn't realise that it was inconveniencing people. I'll be more mindful from now on.
do you mind me asking when you passed the benchmark for HSFK?HSFK: PFO post SJT this Monday, so no news is good news! Best of luck!
DLA: Pre TI stage, completed WGT 2 days ago.
RS: Applied yesterday, no news
Links: Applied in Oct, no news since WGT
MoFo: Applied in Nov, no news
I think a balance must be struck. This is a community so we need to listen to eachother and understand different perspectives as mentioned by @uhfwejdj @Mike Ross but at the same time I love the energy and vibrancy @elle woods brings to the community. lets all be mindful of each-other and most importantly kind. sending peace and loveIt really isn’t
Cheers us on! A lot of messages are not relevant to many people and they can be ignored (example I might not be applying to a firm and people are discussing updates on it so I simple ignore it)![]()
Sorry about this - slightly confused though isn’t their deadline in Jan and non-rolling?OC PFO
May I ask your application for HSFK is spring or summer?HSFK PFO, buuuut Reed Smith WVS offer!!! Absolutely over the moon!
Sometime around the 1-7th Dec I reckon.do you mind me asking when you passed the benchmark for HSFK?
I got it on the 8th. So scary hahahahSometime around the 1-7th Dec I reckon.
Thank you so much! I was seriously doubting myself at the end haha. Thanks for the advice- I will do. Good luck for yours too!Omg yay!! So happy for you!! Good luck, I was planning to do mine today but will do it tomorrow morning as I feel like I need more time to prep. Another member emphasised that it is mostly strengths-based so ensure you prepare for these questions more than the typical ‘why law’.
God I love this forum so much already 😂 😂