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Rejections thread!

trainee4u

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Thought I'd track these:
Rejected at first stage purely because of the application form (answers, experience, qualifications, who knows!?):


Rejected at first stage either because of form or WGT performance:

Rejected at first stage either because of form or SJT performance:

Rejected at first stage because of Arctic Shores performance

Rejected at subsequent stage because of SJT or VI performance:

Rejected at subsequent stage because of VI performance:
Rejected following AC:
  • Milbank

Currently, therefore, of resolved applications, 45 were rejected at the first stage, and ten were rejected at a subsequent stage.

I have other applications in progress at different stages (AC, VI, first stage), so the ratio above is not necessarily representative overall.

It's clear that my VI performance is substantially below par and I need to improve in this area.
 
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Hey!

I really really really admire the accountability tracker! I had one during my cycle as well, and it was incredibly helpful in giving me the self-awareness I needed to identify the areas I needed to improve on. On the point on VIs, I have linked @Andrei Radu ’s amazing guide to help! https://www.thecorporatelawacademy....de-for-competency-interview-preparation.9380/

On the point on SJTs, one thing that personally helped me was trusting my intuition. I found that I always fell into the trap of putting answers I thought firms wanted to hear, and not ones that I genuinely would react to in such circumstances. Overthinking it also made me waste time and not move on to other questions. Another thing is that you’re usually given loads of info or case study banks to use when answering these SJTs. Not all the info will be relevant, and some may be more relevant than others, depending on the question. Lastly, the more practice you do on these, then better. I don’t really believe in the line “practice makes perfect“ as we can never really be perfect as humans, but “practice brings improvement and greater efficiency”. You have already done a few of these SJTs, so you’re on the road to a colorful trophy!

Another I would note is that some firms view a candidate’s application after they have passed the test. So, this means that a candidate may actually be passing these tests, but only need to refine their application questions/strategy, to write more tailored applications, in order to progress.

I hope this helps!
 
Thanks. I have updated the OP with my latest rejections.

There's definitely a process of learning and development in that I made some rather hasty/slapdash applications last year, and I can go back to these now and see improvement.

I've also applied to a lot of firms, and I'm quite passionate about statistics: my profile is atypical, and I've found that it might or might not fit with firms' requirements, but evidently some candidates are more desirable than others, and might stand a high chance of making it through the first stage of the top firms, whereas I have a smaller but non-zero chance. I doubt my Milbank application was as compelling as my Slaughters application, say, but Milbank had a new person reviewing applications this year and this random event got me to the AC. OTOH, if I apply to less prestigious firms, my success rate is higher: it's less competitive, fewer applicants with less compelling applications, and statistically if I apply enough then I'm likely to make it through.

On the other hand, the pure "if you apply to 100 firms you'll become a lawyer because it's a 1-in-100 chance" approach is definitely wrong. It's a combination of randomness and application. If I'd spent 40 hours practising recording VI questions a few months ago, then I'd probably have made it through one of my second-round VIs, as opposed to failing all eight.

I've gone through my written applications and can identify where answers are not quite top-class: awkward wording, long sentences, illogical structure, failing to properly tailor my copy-paste answer to a generic question (e.g., "tell us about your hobbies") to the specific question being answered, but for VIs that's more difficult as a VI is a one-off performance rather than something that can be written, checked, edited, and restructured to attain a higher standard.
 
I am over 100 rejections now; however, I don't feel like updating the list.

Just received the PFO for my one VS. The feedback was essentially that my written work was very good but I struggled in the interview - they gave us a few minutes preparation time but I perhaps didn't use the time as effectively as good, or perhaps I just have been consistently weak on this.

I found the feedback process quite interesting from a legal perspective in that they went through it methodically and said "well you needed to be good on everything but you were weak on the interview", so there's a clear rationale demonstrated whether or not in reality the reason was "you're not the type of person we're looking for".

Anyway, it's quite clear to me that I continue to need to improve my oral skills so I guess there's that.

I do have some applications that I haven't heard back from so I hope (but don't expect) something will come from them.
 
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I am over 100 rejections now; however, I don't feel like updating the list.

Just received the PFO for my one VS. The feedback was essentially that my written work was very good but I struggled in the interview - they gave us a few minutes preparation time but I perhaps didn't use the time as effectively as good, or perhaps I just have been consistently weak on this.

I found the feedback process quite interesting from a legal perspective in that they went through it methodically and said "well you needed to be good on everything but you were weak on the interview", so there's a clear rationale demonstrated whether or not in reality the reason was "you're not the type of person we're looking for".

Anyway, it's quite clear to me that I continue to need to improve my oral skills so I guess there's that.

I do have some applications that I haven't heard back from so I hope (but don't expect) something will come from them.

I admire your willingness to reflect on your journey. The main thing I'd say is that with a vacation scheme behind you, if you decide to go through another cycle, it'll help a lot. I hope you hang in there :)
 
So my 2025 outcomes where I had direct human interaction were:

  • Unsuccessful online interviews: Wedlake Bell, Withers, Russell Cooke, Beale
  • Unsuccessful online AC: Farrer
  • Unsuccessful in-person AC: Milbank
  • Successful online interview leading to VS, but could not attend: Devonshires
  • One VS attended, but no TC
Meanwhile this year, I have so far:

  • Unsuccessful online interview: Russell Cooke
  • Unsuccessful in-person AC: Walker Morris
  • 1x successful online interview leading to future VS
  • 1x successful AC leading to future VS
  • 2 pending AC leading to TC
  • 2 pending online interviews leading to VS
I have several applications I'm waiting on but not particularly hopeful.

I have maybe a dozen more applications to make this year.
 
So my 2025 outcomes where I had direct human interaction were:

  • Unsuccessful online interviews: Wedlake Bell, Withers, Russell Cooke, Beale
  • Unsuccessful online AC: Farrer
  • Unsuccessful in-person AC: Milbank
  • Successful online interview leading to VS, but could not attend: Devonshires
  • One VS attended, but no TC
Meanwhile this year, I have so far:

  • Unsuccessful online interview: Russell Cooke
  • Unsuccessful in-person AC: Walker Morris
  • 1x successful online interview leading to future VS
  • 1x successful AC leading to future VS
  • 2 pending AC leading to TC
  • 2 pending online interviews leading to VS
I have several applications I'm waiting on but not particularly hopeful.

I have maybe a dozen more applications to make this year.
Hey!

Huge congratulations on the VS offers - that is a great result already! 🥳

Looking at your progression from last cycle to this one, I'd hope it is reassuring to see clear results and evidence that the steps you are taking to improve are working (although you were very successful last cycle too!). It is clear that you have the capability of securing a TC - at this stage, it likely just comes down to finding the firm that is the right fit for you as much as you are for them. I remember feeling really dejected after not receiving a TC offer after any of my vacation schemes last cycle, but I ultimately ended up at the right firm for me through my only DTC application. It's a really tough process, and handling rejections is always tricky - however, it seems like you've utilised feedback and built on your experiences really effectively, which is clearly reflected in your positive outcomes so far!

You still have a lot of applications in the works this cycle, and I'm sure more success will come your way! It only takes one offer, and you've put yourself in a great position for that to happen

Wishing you the best of luck with your remaining ACs/interviews and applications - I'm sure you'll smash them! :)
 
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Hey!

Huge congratulations on the VS offers - that is a great result already! 🥳

Looking at your progression from last cycle to this one, I'd hope it is reassuring to see clear results and evidence that the steps you are taking to improve are working (although you were very successful last cycle too!). It is clear that you have the capability of securing a TC - at this stage, it likely just comes down to finding the firm that is the right fit for you as much as you are for them. I remember feeling really dejected after not receiving a TC offer after any of my vacation schemes last cycle, but I ultimately ended up at the right firm for me through my only DTC application. It's a really tough process, and handling rejections is always tricky - however, it seems like you've utilised feedback and built on your experiences really effectively, which is clearly reflected in your positive outcomes so far!

You still have a lot of applications in the works this cycle, and I'm sure more success will come your way! It only takes one offer, and you've put yourself in a great position for that to happen

Wishing you the best of luck with your remaining ACs/interviews and applications - I'm sure you'll smash them! :)
Hey Abbie, may i ask if you submitted your DTC application in the same cycle as you had your VSs? Or was it the following cycle? Thanks!
 
So my 2025 outcomes where I had direct human interaction were:

  • Unsuccessful online interviews: Wedlake Bell, Withers, Russell Cooke, Beale
  • Unsuccessful online AC: Farrer
  • Unsuccessful in-person AC: Milbank
  • Successful online interview leading to VS, but could not attend: Devonshires
  • One VS attended, but no TC
Meanwhile this year, I have so far:

  • Unsuccessful online interview: Russell Cooke
  • Unsuccessful in-person AC: Walker Morris
  • 1x successful online interview leading to future VS
  • 1x successful AC leading to future VS
  • 2 pending AC leading to TC
  • 2 pending online interviews leading to VS
I have several applications I'm waiting on but not particularly hopeful.

I have maybe a dozen more applications to make this year.
so unfortunately I struck out on both ACs.
However, I've since received 2 more ACs leading to TCs, and have a PWC Virtual AC for VS as well, plus my two VS are still pending.

It's tough because it's not strictly "try until you succeed" - there's also a risk of perpetual failure, and I would love to be in the position where I now have a firm offer, but I still don't have that.
However, I've had despair at failing to get the options I've reached final stages of so far tempered by more successes than I had last year, so there's definitely still a hope, albeit definitely no certainty at all.
 
so unfortunately I struck out on both ACs.
However, I've since received 2 more ACs leading to TCs, and have a PWC Virtual AC for VS as well, plus my two VS are still pending.

It's tough because it's not strictly "try until you succeed" - there's also a risk of perpetual failure, and I would love to be in the position where I now have a firm offer, but I still don't have that.
However, I've had despair at failing to get the options I've reached final stages of so far tempered by more successes than I had last year, so there's definitely still a hope, albeit definitely no certainty at all.
Hey

I'm sorry to hear about the AC results - I completely get why you are feeling conflicted. It can be really hard to reach the final stages and still not have an offer, especially when you can see how close you are.

At the same time, the fact that you have already secured 2 more ACs, the virtual AC with PwC, and still have two VS outcomes pending shows that this cycle is already going really well! Firms are clearly seeing potential in you consistently now, which is a really important sign even if the end result hasn't landed yet.

It's always worth remembering that this process can be incredibly fine-margin at AC/final interview stage, and it can be tricky to tell where it went 'wrong'. Sometimes it comes down to things like fit, timing, or cohort size, rather than someone not being good enough. Whilst I appreciate that is frustrating as a candidate (and I felt the same way), it also means that one rejection does not suddenly undo all of the strengths that got you to that stage in the first place.

Wishing you the best of luck - I'm sure you'll hear positive news soon :)
 
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so unfortunately I struck out on both ACs.
However, I've since received 2 more ACs leading to TCs, and have a PWC Virtual AC for VS as well, plus my two VS are still pending.

So Pwc AC was a PFO, first AC is a PFO, second AC still upcoming, first VS went poorly, second VS I have an interview for but odds are stacked against me (just based on candidates per place).

It's tough!
 
So Pwc AC was a PFO, first AC is a PFO, second AC still upcoming, first VS went poorly, second VS I have an interview for but odds are stacked against me (just based on candidates per place).

It's tough!
I'm really sorry to hear that - I know it can feel pretty disheartening when things start stacking up like that.

If it is any consolation, out of the three vacation schemes I did last year, I actually came closest to securing a TC offer with the firm that only had 5 TC places for 30 vac schemers. Just goes to show that there's no reason why it can't be you, despite the odds!

Wishing you the best of luck for the AC and VS interview - fingers crossed for you! 🤞
 
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Well I finally got my TC, with GLD.

A brief description of how I made it:

2025 - applied. They have online verbal reasoning, SJT, and critical reasoning (WG) test. Verbal reasoning I was already good at, WG I have become good at with practice, and the SJT is much easier than the Amberjack ones IMO - you are a government trainee, so the type of behaviours that you need to exhibit are pretty obvious.
I got to the VI and obviously didn't do well enough so that was the end.

2026 - same again. Knew I would pass the first three stages. Got to VI. The timer didn't work on the first question and I thought I'd failed.

But no, I received the invite to the AC.

The AC I found very good - there are a few dozen across a couple of weeks, and you can choose whichever date you like. It's fully online, and it's quite rigidly structured - just a written exercise, then an interview. So no group exercise, for example.

The system requires you to prepare STARs carefully structured to hit their points.

The points are standard across the Civil Service, and the details are here

Each job in government has a level, such as "executive officer".
My understanding from here is that trainee solicitor is EO level:


What they expect you to do at EO level for

Developing self and others​

is:
  • identify gaps in own and team’s skills and knowledge
  • set and consistently meet development objectives
  • seek learning opportunities
  • support the development plans of all colleagues, recognising how diversity of experience/background can help to build an inclusive team culture
  • consider the contributions of all team members and delegate work to aid the learning and development of all
  • encourage and listen to developmental feedback from colleagues
whereas for HEO it's:

  • identify capability gaps for yourself and your team
  • ensure development objectives are set and achieved to address any gaps and enable delivery of current and future work
  • take time to coach, mentor and develop other colleagues to support succession planning
  • promote inclusiveness by respecting different personal needs in the team and use these to develop others
  • reflect on your own work, continuously seek and act on feedback to improve own and team’s performance
Basically the higher level requires more thinking about others. AIUI to gain promotion within the civil service when you go to interview, you need to hit the relevant points to explain how you have done the expected things at those levels.

We were told in the prep pack for the AC that they wanted five of the standard civil service behaviours, plus also motivation.

If you search online you can find sooooo many examples of how to deliver an effective STAR for a specific question within those behaviours, at a particular level , such as EO.

They also only ask three STAR questions, and then follow up on those questions, so it's: "you give one STAR that responds to the question", and they then ask you several follow-ups asking you to reflect on that. I actually prepped five categories, but I think in fact two of the categories were assessed via your performance in the interview and written task, and the other three by what you related in the STAR responses.

I will not share what they asked me, but from what I can see there is a limited set of questions they can possibly ask, and two to four STARs per category can cover all of the possible questions.

You do need to avoid talking too much about the ST, as the marks come from A mostly. When prepping the STARs also think about how they might follow up. I used AI to help prompt me with questions they might ask.

It's really important that when you deliver your STAR answer that it's aiming to show how you hit the specific words in the "EO should do this" for that behaviour.

My guess is that in a regular law firm interview they might well mark you highly for doing the same thing, but the key advantage of GLD is that it's published, so you know that if you hit those points, you will score highly.

I also should note that it's online and you can prepare notes, scripts (you're not of course allowed to use AI during the interview), so in my view this is MUCH easier than an in-person interview, as you can have everything cued up (I would avoid reading - it's an interview with three live humans, so you need to sound human yourself, but reading from notes while sounding fairly natural is something I'm reasonably competent at, so worked for me).



The first part of the AC is an online "analyse this hypothetical law and write answers to the questions" exercise, and there's not too much prep that's necessary, although understanding how to think like a lawyer is obviously helpful. You're asked to explain your answers in the first part of the interview.

While you can prepare STAR and motivation to within an inch of your life, there's a risk that you make a horrible blunder in the written exercise, especially as you have limited time to respond. Paying strong attention to detail is important, as well as giving practical, legally reasoned advice (legal knowledge isn't required, but lawyer-link reasoning is).

For the final part of the interview they asked you for your motivation for joining GLD and about the work they do. Again, I will not share what they specifically asked me, but I found questions by looking online, and my feeling is that every possible question is already out there, so if you look you can prep for it thoroughly.

The scores are given here
and are again standardised.
1 = absolutely terrible 2 = considerably short 3 = just below pass 4 = pass, 5 = good 6 = excellent 7 = unicorn

From what i could see of the scoring that I received, there were multiple scores for each behaviour + motivation, and these are likely averaged.

I think across the ~45 subscores making up the six overall scores, a successful candidate would be lucky to get one 7 across all 45 subscores, so you can treat 6 as the usual ceiling

You MUST pass all six categories, which means receiving an average of 4 or above for each category. So for example scoring 6 on everything else but 3.9 for motivation is a fail, while a score of 4.8 across the board is likely to get you a TC. Individual sub-4 subscores are not an automatic fail - it's the overall score per category that eeds to get you across the line.

They strictly award places in score order, which means that for the 65 jobs, they are REQUIRED to choose the 65 top-scoring passing candidates.

There was a moment that threw me during the AC - they told us the assessors might be able to see our departmental preferences, whereas in fact this was WILL.

The specific format was to choose 3 departments and locations.

The available spaces appeared to be:

2027:
DfT commercial - 1 space in your choice of Bristol, Manchester or London

2028:
CMA - 2 spaces in London
NCA - 2 spaces in London
HMRC - 8 spaces, of which all could be in London up to 2 in Bristol and up to 4 in Manchester
GLD Commercial - 3 in London, 2 in Leeds, 2 in Bristol
DfT Commercial - 1 in London, 1 in Manchester or Bristol
GLD Generalist - 29 in London, 4 in Bristol, 6 in Leeds, 4 in Manchester

During the initial application you are asked whether you are willing to work in each of those four locations.

As can be seen, there were 8 roles in Leeds, 6-9 in Bristol, 4-10 in Manchester, 37-46 in London.

So I assume given the strict requirement to give roles to the top scoring candidates, that it might not be in advantageous to tick multiple locations if your heart is set on Bristol, say, as you risk being allocated into different city based on your flexibility.

Note also that HMRC pays a higher London salary, and NCA pays London weighting plus has a boosted 2nd year salary, while for CMA there was no choice, and for GLD Commercial/General you'll be worse off in London if you have to pay london rents as there's no weighting! (for DfT I'm unsure).

So in the interview you might select "1: CMA 2028 London", "2: DfT 2027 London", "3: HMRC 2028 London", and then you will need to explain why you chose those 3.

Because of the "top scorers get TCs" rule, you won't get a TC simply because you've chosen what you think are less desirable departments, so it's really simple here - just list the department/location pairs you prefer (you're absolutely not guaranteed to get one of your preferences, but they are used, so better choose something you'd prefer than make it random, plus you need to talk about why you chose the preferences).


Overall I definitely would have benefited from slightly more prep for the STARs as I did it all the day before the AC, but obviously that was good enough - structure and research were the key to getting the TC. Equally, for the VI preparing in a similar basis to exactly hit the civil service profiles and show motivation would have more effectively ensured my progress.

But that's all academic, I did enough!
 
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