TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

[trainee4u]

Hi - I was wondering if anyone had some thoughts on what would be appropriate to include in the following question for my Farrer & Co training contract application. I have a place on the firm's summer vacation scheme, but I believe you have to submit a DTC application to be considered for a TC following the scheme.

"Legal Work Exposure (eg. open days, vacation schemes, shadowing, or any other work to show your commitment to law). (350 words)"

I have a couple experiences I can draw from, e.g. my placement year, work experience etc. I was wondering if it would be appropriate to include vacation schemes I have not yet completed (e.g. my F&Co offer, and others I hold)? Normally I would not include these in an application until after I had completed them, but I guess the wording of the question tells me that maybe I could include that I have those offers to show my commitment to law?

Thank you!

They said during the AC that if you ticked the 'training contract' in addition to 'vacation scheme' when you applied via allhires it is not necessary to make a separate application for the TC.

 

[trainee4u]

To my understanding, the general expectation in a VI is to expand on written application answers and not to simply memorise and regurgitate what is already written (the person who read the application is most likely the person reviewing the VI so they can identify this quickly). I also don’t think it’s ideal to rehearse scripted answers to questions that you think may come up. I think this would most likely lead someone to try answer questions that aren’t even being asked by shoehorning in prepared answers. VI are generally very short (30-60 seconds prep and 60-90 seconds to answer), so I think it’s important to keep answers clear and concise. Good time management is of course very important. 😅

In my experience with Willkie, it seemed it was okay to make the same initial point, but the reasoning that followed had to be different. For example, if I had wrote in my application that I was interested in private equity for reasons ABC, in the VI, I could similarly state I was interested in private equity, but for reasons XYZ. I don’t think firms would expect fundamental motivations to change between an application and VI, but they might expect to see more research into their firm within that time period, which means VI answers need to be more specific and developed. I think if the fundamental motivations changed, that would probably be seen as a red flag. I think natural pauses and hesitations are normal tbh. 🙂

I think @Andrei Radu, @Amma Usman, @Ram Sabaratnam and and @Jessica Booker can give a much better answer than this though. 🥲​

To clarify, I probably have at least 30 different questions that I've answered in application forms, and the specific application questions for the VI (Fox Williams) I'm preparing for were:

1. why should we select you? what sets you apart from other candidates?
2. which of our core sectors appeals to you most?
3. impact of AI on the law.

So I therefore have quite a few personalised answers to questions such as "what's your proudest achievement" that I've given in written applications, that they wouldn't have read/heard before.

They've said that there are "three very different questions", which will "test your research into Fox Williams, your communication skills, and about you as an individual"

So the first part of that could be

"why do you want to work for us" or

"what sets us apart from our competitors"

and then the others could be anything, e.g., "tell us about a time when you have had to manage difficult people", "tell us about a person who inspires you", etc.

 

[abbiewhitlock03]

They said during the AC that if you ticked the 'training contract' in addition to 'vacation scheme' when you applied via allhires it is not necessary to make a separate application for the TC.

I double checked cos I thought I remembered they had mentioned this too, but I only ticked the vacation scheme option (for some reason... current me is disliking past me) so I am making a TC application in case.

 

[trainee4u]

I double checked cos I thought I remembered they had mentioned this too, but I only ticked the vacation scheme option (for some reason... current me is disliking past me) so I am making a TC application in case.

Yeah my app shows like this within Allhires when i view it:

Training Contract 2027
Vacation Schemes 2025
Intakes:
Choice 1:Spring
Choice 2:1st Summer
Choice 3:2nd Summer

Given that the TC deadline is 30 March, I would try and get yours changed to a 'both' application, if possible

 

[abbiewhitlock03]

Yeah my app shows like this within Allhires when i view it:

Training Contract 2027
Vacation Schemes 2025
Intakes:
Choice 1:Spring
Choice 2:1st Summer
Choice 3:2nd Summer

Given that the TC deadline is 30 March, I would try and get yours changed to a 'both' application, if possible

Yup, mine only shows Vacation Schemes 2025. I believe they stated if you only applied for one, you just had to submit a TC application before the deadline which is what I am aiming to do (there are just so many questions haha). I've nearly finished it, just had that last question to go.

 

[allenpopi]

Are VC written exercises and group tasks similar to those on ACs? Or should i expect something different?
Also does anyone know any resources for this? Thanks!

 

[Jessica Booker]

Are VC written exercises and group tasks similar to those on ACs? Or should i expect something different?
Also does anyone know any resources for this? Thanks!

Generally group tasks are something that you can work on throughout the scheme rather than having a fixed hour or so to work on it. This means they tend to be a bit more in depth on a particular topic. Pitch presentations (as if you were pitching the firm to a particular client) are a common group task, but you could be asked to research a general area of law/development in a sector and present that back to senior lawyers too.

Written exercises also tend to be something you can work on throughout the scheme rather than having a fixed hour or two to write something. Again, it tends to be a more specific topic and requiring more in-depth analysis on that topic. This can often be a research task or if you are writing some form of business development output to a particular client or set of clients. It can also be an article or blog for the firm’s website.

I would wait until you have been given the task and then also focus on the firm’s resources for them. There will be lots of information and templates you can work from in their firm’s systems. The risk of preparing now is that you don’t really know what you are preparing for and any general advice available externally is more about how these things are done in general rather than how the specific firm (or even specific client) would like things presented.

You can get lots of advice and guidance from the trainees and lawyers around you as to what internal resources might be best suited for the task you have been given.

 

[allenpopi]

Generally group tasks are something that you can work on throughout the scheme rather than having a fixed hour or so to work on it. This means they tend to be a bit more in depth on a particular topic. Pitch presentations (as if you were pitching the firm to a particular client) are a common group task, but you could be asked to research a general area of law/development in a sector and present that back to senior lawyers too.

Written exercises also tend to be something you can work on throughout the scheme rather than having a fixed hour or two to write something. Again, it tends to be a more specific topic and requiring more in-depth analysis on that topic. This can often be a research task or if you are writing some form of business development output to a particular client or set of clients. It can also be an article or blog for the firm’s website.

I would wait until you have been given the task and then also focus on the firm’s resources for them. There will be lots of information and templates you can work from in their firm’s systems. The risk of preparing now is that you don’t really know what you are preparing for and any general advice available externally is more about how these things are done in general rather than how the specific firm (or even specific client) would like things presented.

You can get lots of advice and guidance from the trainees and lawyers around you as to what internal resources might be best suited for the task you have been given.

That's very insightful, thanks a lot!

 

[FCL25]

Has anyone heard back from WBD post online test?

 

[Chris Brown]

To clarify, I probably have at least 30 different questions that I've answered in application forms, and the specific application questions for the VI (Fox Williams) I'm preparing for were:

1. why should we select you? what sets you apart from other candidates?
2. which of our core sectors appeals to you most?
3. impact of AI on the law.

So I therefore have quite a few personalised answers to questions such as "what's your proudest achievement" that I've given in written applications, that they wouldn't have read/heard before.

They've said that there are "three very different questions", which will "test your research into Fox Williams, your communication skills, and about you as an individual"

So the first part of that could be

"why do you want to work for us" or

"what sets us apart from our competitors"

and then the others could be anything, e.g., "tell us about a time when you have had to manage difficult people", "tell us about a person who inspires you", etc.

I think in this case it would probably be fine to use application form answers as the foundation to answers in a VI, but it would be better to provide more detail or expand on the points made. There is a post that @Andrei Radu made recently on the forum which I think answers this question, so I have quoted it below: 🙂​

I do not think there is any issue with having an interview answer that mirrors an application form answer. I actually have no idea why this has become such an almost universally accepted myth - I personally never saw an issue with using the same reasoning as in your application. In many cases partners will not even review your application in any level of depth before the interview, and if they do, they will not as a result form an expectation for you to come up with a different reasoning as to your motivations, or skill set, or to use different (and less directly applicable) examples if asked the same question merely for purposes of variation.

They will simply expect you to answer the question in the most accurate and convincing way you can. This might necessitate some changes to the application form answer, both because the communication format is different, and because you might want to have a more nuanced/detailed analysis in view of potential follow ups. However, the main themes and ideas should likely stay the same. If anything, it would likely look somewhat suspicious if your fundamental motivations, skills and most relevant experiences were to all of a sudden be very different from the ones mentioned in the application form.

 

[tc1999]

hi all, I am on the reserve list for a VS. Is this something I can put on my CV for legal admin and paralegal jobs I am applying to?

 

[Jessica Booker]

hi all, I am on the reserve list for a VS. Is this something I can put on my CV for legal admin and paralegal jobs I am applying to?

Unfortunately, I wouldn't recommend doing this.

 

[tc1999]

Unfortunately, I wouldn't recommend doing this.

Thanks for your reply, Jessica! Could I ask why?

 

[Jessica Booker]

Thanks for your reply, Jessica! Could I ask why?

There are a few reasons.

1) it isn't something that can be verified, unlike completed employment or educational achievements.

2) there could be a question as to why you were only on the waitlist rather than securing the scheme outright.

3) there could be a concern that you might not be ready to start a legal admin/paralegal job if you had to take time off to attend the scheme.

 

[lawbear123]

to those who've given bristows first round interview, when do you think we'll hear back for second round?

 

[CX251]

Re attire for VS: would using a briefcase from Montblanc be a red flag?

 

[Andrei Radu]

@Ram Sabaratnam @Andrei Radu i had two questions: 1. what are the benefits of a firm having a single management structure? 2. what are the differences between a firm’s corporate securities and corporate securities technology department? thank you!

For (1), I think it will probably consist in more efficient allocation of responsibility and decision-making. Complex and multi-layered management systems are known to produce a dilution of responsibility, where people in do not know who has ultimate ownership of what. This can lead to delays in resolving workstreams and thus to client dissatisfaction. More importantly, it can increase the likelihood of conflicts and thus have a negative impact on the firm's culture. Finally, a single management system should allow the firm to reduce the bureaucracy and to take important decisions more quickly, which is a substantial advantage in such a fast-moving field as commercial law.

For (2), I cannot give you a very clear answer unless you can provide more information. "Corporate securities" typically refers to securities in the sense of stocks and bonds, a line of work normally covered by a firms' capital markets departments. "Corporate securities technology" could refer to a tech companies-centered capital markets practice (as some firms further split practice area groups between different economic sectors), but the wording is also reminiscent of corporate security technology, which relates more to cybersecurity and other measures meant to protect a company's assets and data and to ensure compliance with regulations.

 

[trainee4u]

Re attire for VS: would using a briefcase from Montblanc be a red flag?

Don't see how it could be, it's a professional accessory that costs the same as a soon-to-be-ewaste iPhone. It's not like the defendant turning up to a fraud trial in a Lamborghini or something - you don't have to pretend to be from a disadvantaged background if you're not!

 

[CX251]

Don't see how it could be, it's a professional accessory that costs the same as a soon-to-be-ewaste iPhone. It's not like the defendant turning up to a fraud trial in a Lamborghini or something - you don't have to pretend to be from a disadvantaged background if you're not!

It's not about pretending to be from a disadvantaged background. My concern is that an expensive item would be offputting and create a bad impression. I know not to wear Ferragamo/Hermes ties or bold chalk stripe suits.

 

[Chris Brown]

Re attire for VS: would using a briefcase from Montblanc be a red flag?

It should be fine tbh. You can rock up to the VS with your Montblanc briefcase like:
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