i haven’t heard back yet but mine was this wednesdayAnyone heard from Winston & Strawn after interview?
Hi does anyone have any advice concerning converting US firm VS? Also advice on coffee chats? Within two weeks, how many are you expected to do? What do you really talk about?
I don't think I have seen someone in the thread confirm they have got an offer, unless they were asked not to post it onlinePeople who have received offers from crs do they call or email?
I think some ppl thumbs up messages saying they received offers from other offices not londonI don't think I have seen someone in the thread confirm they have got an offer, unless they were asked not to post it online
Did you get a missed call? I'd say thats an offer!People who have received offers from crs do they call or email?
Noo I didn’t I was just wondering hahaDid you get a missed call? I'd say thats an offer!
I converted a US firm VS without doing any coffee chats! I know people who didn't convert who did several.Hi does anyone have any advice concerning converting US firm VS? Also advice on coffee chats? Within two weeks, how many are you expected to do? What do you really talk about?
Hi does anyone have any advice concerning converting US firm VS? Also advice on coffee chats? Within two weeks, how many are you expected to do? What do you really talk about?
I converted a US firm VS without doing any coffee chats! I know people who didn't convert who did several.
People talk on and on about coffee chats, but the truth is they are 99% for your own benefit, and usually don't have much if any bearing on whether you get the TC. Most firms have a set of criteria they are assessing you against, which will usually be supervisor feedback + scores on whatever formal assessments you did during the scheme. The only way that coffee chats help is by evidencing interest in the firm, and good attitude etc. But this is equally shown by just being positive and amiable throughout the scheme. For me, I got close with my team and got work from several different partners. I attended the firm-arranged networking events and spoke to people there, and I made good friends with other vac schemers.
One of the grad rec team actually warned us off doing too many chats at the start of the scheme. Saying they usually have no idea if you've done any or not. Only if you somehow manage to really impress who you're chatting with so that they feel like relaying it, but that basically never happens. So yeah they are mainly just for you, if you actually really want to find out about a practice area or something. I chose not to because I was really busy with work and (While i didn't say this obviously), I was really tired, and I couldn't be arsed lol
Hey can I ask how did you go about getting work from different people?I converted a US firm VS without doing any coffee chats! I know people who didn't convert who did several.
People talk on and on about coffee chats, but the truth is they are 99% for your own benefit, and usually don't have much if any bearing on whether you get the TC. Most firms have a set of criteria they are assessing you against, which will usually be supervisor feedback + scores on whatever formal assessments you did during the scheme. The only way that coffee chats help is by evidencing interest in the firm, and good attitude etc. But this is equally shown by just being positive and amiable throughout the scheme. For me, I got close with my team and got work from several different partners. I attended the firm-arranged networking events and spoke to people there, and I made good friends with other vac schemers.
One of the grad rec team actually warned us off doing too many chats at the start of the scheme. Saying they usually have no idea if you've done any or not. Only if you somehow manage to really impress who you're chatting with so that they feel like relaying it, but that basically never happens. So yeah they are mainly just for you, if you actually really want to find out about a practice area or something. I chose not to because I was really busy with work and (While i didn't say this obviously), I was really tired, and I couldn't be arsed lol
I agree with this completely. Unconverted Sidley winter vac schemer here. Hopefully will take stuff I learned and try it out at vac scheme this summer (have a second chance but will be doing things differently for sure). I went on TONS of coffee chats at Sidley - about 15, and I didn’t get the TC. I deffo treated it like more of an exercise rather than actually doing it meaningfully, as everyone gives you different advice (ie, ‘it’s all about networking’) but it’s also about showing you can balance, and also form actual connections. I think be more relaxed about coffees. Sidley ended up not asking coffee people for feedback, it was just a nice thing for us, so don’t feel like you need to perform in there either - just be natural. My two cents lol.For my vac at Sidley I did one coffee chat during the vac. I honestly just didn’t have the time to be meeting people every hour for coffee. My supervisor told me that coffee chats are fine if you have the time to do it but never let them take preference over work. With that said, it might make more sense for you to just schedule coffee chats if and when you have capacity rather than committing to 10+ and sacrificing work for it.
General advice to convert - be nice!!!! Feedback comes from whoever wants to give feedback, so you never know who might take an interest in you (for better or worse). Also try and control as much as you can - which is very little in vacs if I’m honest. Look out for typos/spelling mistakes and please ask questions if you are confused.
Pretty much this. I also didn't convert and for sure, part of it was exactly that reason: I treated it like more of an exercise rather than doing it meaningfully, so I looked for anyone that shares any kind of overlap with me in profile or interests and went into the talks feeling like I needed to sell myself rather than just being a normal person and asking them about what they do.I agree with this completely. Unconverted Sidley winter vac schemer here. Hopefully will take stuff I learned and try it out at vac scheme this summer (have a second chance but will be doing things differently for sure). I went on TONS of coffee chats at Sidley - about 15, and I didn’t get the TC. I deffo treated it like more of an exercise rather than actually doing it meaningfully, as everyone gives you different advice (ie, ‘it’s all about networking’) but it’s also about showing you can balance, and also form actual connections. I think be more relaxed about coffees. Sidley ended up not asking coffee people for feedback, it was just a nice thing for us, so don’t feel like you need to perform in there either - just be natural. My two cents lol.
It’s DTC!Is this for their work experience/vacation scheme or for DTC?
Hey can I ask how did you go about getting work from different people?
Thank you so so much!I remember being stressed about this beforehand, but it's really not as difficult/intimidating as it might sound. Get the vibes from your team on your first day, you'll see who's approachable and who's not. For me, it was a quiet office day with most people working from home but my supervisor briefly took me around the floor and introduced me to the 5 or so people who were there.
Halfway through the day I day I was close to finishing my first (and only task). Went to the kitchen to make a coffee and had a quick chat with one of the associates about nothing in particular. Before heading back to my desk I mentioned I was free to help out with anything and she goes "oh actually I do have something, I'll email it over this afternoon and we can go chat about it." Another time I was chatting with my supervisor about a task and mentioned I had capacity, she asked around for me, and two different people came back with tasks for me.
But similar to my coffee chat comment, don't feel like you have to do this if you have enough work. It's so easy to get overwhelmed, and nobody expects you to seek out work if you have enough. I know for a fact that the other vac schemer in my department never sought out work. He spent the whole scheme on maybe 3 massive tasks for his supervisor and nothing else, and managed to get the TC.
Like with everything on these schemes, it's a 'go with the flow.' I know some people have sent a team-wide email or openly announced at a breakfast networking event that they are happy to help with anything, but to me, that felt uncouth and over the top. My team was so laid back and friendly, so I took that approach too.