General Discussion Thread 2020-21

[TCLA Community Assistant]

Travers Smith and Hogan Lovells

you’ll find their basic annual reports in terms of financials on companies house potentially, if U.K. listed. But it might be the case that they don’t produce a typical annual report that is far more broad ranging/strategic like some other firms do.

Hogan Lovells are not just U.K. based - HQ in the US and London, so might not have to do any of the above anyway.

Why do you want their annual report? I suspect t other marketing/business development materials would be just as helpful if you are trying to work out more about the firm. It will be far more helpful than financials produced for companies house anyway.

 

[Shalli]

Anyone received an AC re Dentons London office?

London AC invites have been sent out today, are you waiting to hear back from first round interview?

 

[Andrewp]

London AC invites have been sent out today, are you waiting to hear back from first round interview?

Yeah still waiting and completed the 1st round in March. How do you know about them being sent out today? Does that mean it is a no for me?

 

[nymi]

you’ll find their basic annual reports in terms of financials on companies house potentially, if U.K. listed. But it might be the case that they don’t produce a typical annual report that is far more broad ranging/strategic like some other firms do.

Hogan Lovells are not just U.K. based - HQ in the US and London, so might not have to do any of the above anyway.

Why do you want their annual report? I suspect t other marketing/business development materials would be just as helpful if you are trying to work out more about the firm. It will be far more helpful than financials produced for companies house anyway.

Thank you for your response, Jessica.
I just want figure out by the annual review that in which area have they made the most profit and by how much percent their investment in technology has increased since the last year.

 

[LegalNim]

London AC invites have been sent out today, are you waiting to hear back from first round interview?

Does this mean if I haven't heard back then I'll be rejected? Some rejections were posted a while ago. I haven't heard anything at all.

 

[Andrewp]

Does this mean if I haven't heard back then I'll be rejected? Some rejections were posted a while ago. I haven't heard anything at all.

I am pretty sure not all of the ACs would have been sent out today. The way I see it is that if you had a first interview a while ago (in my case more than 5 months ago) surely that is ample time to reject you if that was the case...

 

[Lawgirl123]

Like most big US firms, they recruit primarily from their VS. Direct TC applicants are simply used to back-fill what hasn't been filled from their VS candidates. For reference - They had about 30 VS candidates for around 12 TC spots.

I'm pretty sure the L&W intake is nearer 25?

 

[LegalNim]

I am pretty sure not all of the ACs would have been sent out today. The way I see it is that if you had a first interview a while ago (in my case more than 5 months ago) surely that is ample time to reject you if that was the case...

I didn't have an interview. I've had literal silence since my application was submitted. I even emailed to follow up a month ago and give them the grades from my summer exams and haven't had a response.

 

[Andrewp]

I didn't have an interview. I've had literal silence since my application was submitted. I even emailed to follow up a month ago and give them the grades from my summer exams and haven't had a response.

Did they respond to your email?

 

[LegalNim]

Did they respond to your email?

No. No response to anything. I've got confirmation that I've applied and Apply4Law clearly shows that I've applied but if people are being invited to the AC then that means they're at Stage 4 of the 5 stage application process and my application is still at Stage 1. If they want me at all then why not invite me for the Watson Glaser? If they don't want me at all then why not reject me like they've rejected loads of other people?
Is anyone else waiting to hear back from Dentons for their London office, direct to TC at the application stage?
@Jessica Booker Should I be concerned about this?

 

[Andrewp]

No. No response to anything. I've got confirmation that I've applied and Apply4Law clearly shows that I've applied but if people are being invited to the AC then that means they're at Stage 4 of the 5 stage application process and my application is still at Stage 1. If they want me at all then why not invite me for the Watson Glaser? If they don't want me at all then why not reject me like they've rejected loads of other people?

What a mind boggle...

 

[D]

I'm pretty sure the L&W intake is nearer 25?

It's 24, however, they had already given 13 TC's out prior to our Spring/Summer combined VS. They likely over-offer to account for those who choose to not take the offer, as almost all the candidates had multiple TC offers on the scheme.

But yes, returning to the original point - Most of the big US firms operate like this. I had a friend at K&E last year and where were 30+ going for 10 TC's. The partner said that direct applications are only reviewed if we cannot fill from the VS.

So, if you are trying to get in to Latham, Kirkland, Skadden etc... get on the VS

 

[Lawgirl123]

It's 24, however, they had already given 13 TC's out prior to our Spring/Summer combined VS. They likely over-offer to account for those who choose to not take the offer, as almost all the candidates had multiple TC offers on the scheme.

Where were the 13 from? I thought they don't recruit on a rolling basis? Sorry if this seems basic but this information is all new to me.

 

[D]

Where were the 13 from? I thought they don't recruit on a rolling basis? Sorry if this seems basic but this information is all new to me.

No, its ok

So, they gave 9 to their Winter VS. They also offered 4 TC's to people who were meant to be on the Spring/Summer Scheme without them doing the scheme itself (I wasn't able to get to the bottom of why this happened).

 

[TCLA Community Assistant]

Thank you for your response, Jessica.
I just want figure out by the annual review that in which area have they made the most profit and by how much percent their investment in technology has increased since the last year.

In most cases you wouldn’t find this out from an annual report. Financials aren't typically broken down into profit by department, and investment in technology wouldn’t be obvious from the reports either.

 

[TCLA Community Assistant]

No. No response to anything. I've got confirmation that I've applied and Apply4Law clearly shows that I've applied but if people are being invited to the AC then that means they're at Stage 4 of the 5 stage application process and my application is still at Stage 1. If they want me at all then why not invite me for the Watson Glaser? If they don't want me at all then why not reject me like they've rejected loads of other people?
Is anyone else waiting to hear back from Dentons for their London office, direct to TC at the application stage?
@Jessica Booker Should I be concerned about this?

Possibly something to be concerned about if most other candidates have heard back one way or another. Can you log into the system and see correspondence and/or your application status?

 

[LegalNim]

Possibly something to be concerned about if most other candidates have heard back one way or another. Can you log into the system and see correspondence and/or your application status?

Thanks for responding. The system hasn't had any update since I applied. It's confirmed my application, I have the application number and confirmation but nothing has updated since. Nothing in my email, nothing in junk, nothing on the portal system - and no response to my emails either. What would you suggest given that they haven't responded to my emails either?

 

[TCLA Community Assistant]

Thanks for responding. The system hasn't had any update since I applied. It's confirmed my application, I have the application number and confirmation but nothing has updated since. Nothing in my email, nothing in junk, nothing on the portal system - and no response to my emails either. What would you suggest given that they haven't responded to my emails either?

Given where they are in the cycle, I would just expect this to be something to move on from.

You could email again or call, but I doubt much could be done at this late stage if some candidates are at stage 4 of 5 and you still are at 1.

 

[LegalNim]

Given where they are in the cycle, I would just expect this to be something to move on from.

You could email again or call, but I doubt much could be done at this late stage if some candidates are at stage 4 of 5 and you still are at 1.

Thanks. It's pretty gutting because I was on a mentoring scheme with the firm and really liked them, I thought my application was very strong and that I knew the firm well. It's just sad that I didn't even get a response at all.

 

[S87]

Given where they are in the cycle, I would just expect this to be something to move on from.

You could email again or call, but I doubt much could be done at this late stage if some candidates are at stage 4 of 5 and you still are at 1.

I agree with you. It is painful as hell but need to prepare for the next cycle. I sent my application to AG in April and haven't heard back yet while many people have. Onwards and Upwards!!