Baker McKenzie rejection but received 2 emails
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Probably because they don't know how many offers they will make or how many of those will accept post vac scheme. Travers Smith did the same last year
Makes sense - I just assumed they would have received an overwhelming number of DTC apps that they would just hold off making decisions on those until the vac schemes.
Contrast Ashurst's DTC process with Macfarlanes. Ashurst seemingly holds ACs in May/June. Macfarlanes is non-rolling (July 31st deadline). White & Case is the same. How many DTCs do Ashurst offer? Timelines would suggest more than elsewhere. Of course this is just speculation.
Legal Cheek says 40 which is in btw those two. And according to Chambers' outdated table, they receive approx 3000 apps (which I assume is combined for VS and DTC).
Still, I'm expecting a rejection as my app wasn't my best and I've failed every single Cappfinity test...
The Legal 500 is generally excellent. The Lawyer’s stuff is generally paywalled. But you can Google their headlines. Other outlets cover their content too. Lateral hires are often covered elsewhere.
The Lawyer’s profiles are often outdated. So it’s not often that useful. For headlines though, it’s very helpful. Then as I say, Google them.
Legal 500 is more for specific practice areas though isn't it? Unless they have an overall list for firms in general?
For that, Chambers & Partners helps. Helpfully, it’s integrated with Chambers Student. Still, only gets you so far. Good to combine with other resources.
I think Chambers Student and RollOnFriday are two underrated sources that go a long way at not only describing firm's practice but the trainee experience at each law firm. However, I think there are limits to what you can research. Not every major deal a law firm makes is on headlines and I've noticed that many firms don't document their pro bono work as much. A number of US firms only put up pro bono work done in the US, which while helpful is irrelevant to the UK practice. Lastly, there is only so much you can say to impress a firm about what practice areas you are interested in and talking about how good they are.
CS seems more consistent than ROF. Legal Cheek is also great too. Their ‘grading’ system can be helpful.
I agree with your last point. Hence, open days can be crucial. That and talking to the trainees.
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Hiya @BillSikes
Yep, from what I understand, successful candidates are invited straight through to the assessment centre stage. I spoke to a few people who applied during the last application cycle, and apparently PMC definitely held ACs in July 2024. That said, recruitment timelines can always shift from year to year, so it’s something to keep in mind. Hope that helps and best of luck with any remaining applications you’re working on!
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Hiya @RaniaH062002
I just wanted to echo what @Jessica Booker has already said. This is such a great mindset to have, and it puts you ahead already. A lot of people underestimate just how many different skills the application process tests - writing clearly and persuasively, thinking commercially, performing well in interviews, and demonstrating decent interpersonal skills. None of those come overnight. It really does take time, reflection, and practice. The fact that you’ve taken this cycle seriously and are now planning ahead for the next one means you’re absolutely on the right track. Keep doubling down on those skills and building on what you’ve already learn. I really believe it will pay off!
As Jess mentioned, I still think it's worth applying for direct training contract, particularly given your experience as a Crown Court clerk. However, the next application cycle will start in September for most firms (though there are some firms that will start accepting applications as early as August). I think it's a great idea to start early in the summer, particularly since there are many firms (e.g. Clifford Chance, White & Case, Freshfields, Jones Day and others) which ask the same application questions or require a cover letter year after year. So even if they tweak things slightly, having a solid draft gives you something to work with. You wouldn't be starting from scratch, and you’ll have content you can adapt quickly even if their application questions do change in the next cycle.
By starting early, you’re also giving yourself the time and space to reflect properly on your experiences, to research each firm in depth, and to ensure that your answers are really convincing. Not to mention that you'll help yourself minimise the pressure of juggling multiple deadlines in September, October, and November when so many firms open at once. By starting early in the summer, you'll find that you'll be spending your application cycle refining your answers rather than rushing through them. And that matters, because a rushed application often reads like one.
Good luck with the SQE1 and your applications!
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Hiya @AlegalA
I'm sure @Andrei Radu, @Amma Usman, and @Jessica Booker may have more to add here, but I think this is actually a difficult question to answer because rankings depend on what you're measuring (practice area strength, profitability, headcount, client feedback, training quality, etc.). As I'm sure you already know, different publications rank firms for different purposes. For instance:
- Legal 500 and Chambers UK: These are the most widely used legal directories and rank firms (as well as individual lawyers) by practice area. Although I'm not entirely sure about this, it seems as though their rankings are based largely on client and peer feedback.
- The Lawyer: This is more commercial/industry-focused. Having read through a lot of their reports, I've found that most of their rankings and data are based on financial performance, RPP, headcount, etc., and they often divide the rankings according to whether they're focussed on UK- and US-headquartered firms.
- RollOnFriday/Legal Cheek: Based on my own reading of these rankings, I've genereally found that these are more focused on culture, trainee satisfaction, and work-life balance, and very often based on anonymous surveys. This is less “formal” but helpful if you’re choosing where to apply.
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I don’t have much to add to Ram’s great response, but just a quick note to be mindful of how rankings are interpreted. A firm might be placed in Band 3 for a broader practice area but still hold a Band 1 position in a specific niche within that area - whether that’s regionally, globally, or based on sector expertise.
For instance, Clyde & Co is highly regarded for its global insurance practice, even if its ranking in broader corporate categories might differ. Similarly, Travers Smith is exceptionally strong in private equity M&A within the UK, even if it appears in a different band in more general corporate rankings.
The point I’m trying to make is that while band rankings are definitely useful and worth considering, they aren’t everything. It’s always helpful to look a bit deeper into what the rankings actually reflect.
Unfortunately there is not such a ranking. You need to combine the information.
As said by @Ram Sabaratnam,
Legal 500 and Chambers are mostly based on client and peer feedback. Firms submit forms with 20–40 key publishable and non-publishable matters (deals, litigation, investigations, etc.) and client contacts. They assess the work and feedback to rank individuals and teams. That is why you might see a partner ranked but not the practice area. They probably stand out, but here long term relationships and networking really matter too.
The Lawyer ranks firms by revenue and profit per partner. I believe that UK firms are required to publish annual reports with this info. Still, those reports can give you a deeper view of their strategy beyond just financials.
Legal Cheek, Chambers Student and RollOnFriday are good sources for day to day insights from the trainees and associates. Also consider the UKLaw community at Reddit. I have seen interesting (anonymous) comments from people moving between firms or quitting private practice, including partners.
yes.
i was looking at https://www.legal500.com/firms/903-devonshires-solicitors-llp/r-england/rankings
and it shows for London
Band 1 - Debt Recovery
Band 1 - Social housing: finance
Band 1 - Social housing: LAs and RPs
this might suggest similar capabilities in Debt Recovery and Social housing.
However, in reality 100+ of the firm's lawyers deal with social housing and only around four with debt recovery.
Therefore, the firm's competitors are in reality those that deal with Social Housing, and even within the "Debt Recovery" rankings, which are rather small, competitors don't always appear to be competing for the same clients. So just looking at rankings can give a totally distorted view of firm's revenue, especially also where it's a competitive area, and the firm is perhaps "band 2" for a certain practice area but in reality for that firm, that's its main practice area.
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