when you do group exercises, what are the first words usually spoken? Do people assign roles to themselves like PM/note taker/time keeper or just get straight into discussing the task without worrying about formal titles?
Don’t try to over think/formulate it - flexing and adapting to the group/exercise rather than setting an expected agenda/discussion is important.when you do group exercises, what are the first words usually spoken? Do people assign roles to themselves like PM/note taker/time keeper or just get straight into discussing the task without worrying about formal titles?
To me they are different.@Jessica Booker what is the difference between these 2 questions, because I feel like they are asking for the same thing...
1) Please tell us why you are interested in this position?
2) Why does a career in (law firm's name) interests you?
Thank you, but I personally think that this firm is asking for a lot with this and why law and why this jurisdiction and a cover letter on top of that!To me they are different.
The first one is why specifically the vacancy you are applying to. This doesn’t need to be anything about the firm as such, just the individual job opportunity. For instance, if this is a TC that could be the seat options, secondments, TC structure, training, personal development elements embedded into the TC.
The second is about the firm. That could the the work, culture, environment etc.
There could be a little bit of cross over with work into the two questions (eg type of clients you would work with/strength of practice areas or sectors) but I would make sure to not repeat detail across these questions and choose which one you want to focus on (if this is relevant to your motivation).
Thank you!Don’t try to over think/formulate it - flexing and adapting to the group/exercise rather than setting an expected agenda/discussion is important.
If roles are needed though it is important to define them early and make sure everyone is clear on who is doing what.
My advice is to try and forgot it is assessed and think more about how you would approach this task if it was real work.
Some firms like to be thorough. I know it can be a lot to ask for, but they will only be asking things they think are relevant and important for them to help them make the right selection.Thank you, but I personally think that this firm is asking for a lot with this and why law and why this jurisdiction and a cover letter on top of that!
My reply to your post is fairly long but I promise it has a point- please bear with me!So I took part in an inter-university commercial awareness competition recently. We were in small teams, and my teammate and I had to present back to the panel on a case study. Our presentation had multiple sections which we split amongst ourselves. They start first, I go next- all good so far. When the last section comes about they go way over the time limit of 1 min (which they had told me to strictly stick to in the preparation breakout room) and I am left with less than 30 seconds for my last section. I can only outline what I was going to talk about in a sentence before being cut off. Then there are questions from the panel- and I don't get to say a single word. They take up all the questions, including the questions regarding my part of the presentation. I unmuted myself multiple times but they took up the question nonetheless and as soon as they were done the panel member asking would say thank you and move on.
I am not shy or introverted. I am a confident speaker who has presented in high profile conferences and forums. I am also the "mother" of the group in group projects, always making sure people contribute and that work is allocated fairly- I don't try to make myself stand out over the rest of my team.
This experience made me feel so defeated, patronised, and small. The only positive part of it is that the outcome (which we found out in a few days) is assessed on a team level, and I must have done something right because I've had legal recruiters of the sponsoring firms reach out via LinkedIn.
Beside the rant, I guess the question here is: have you ever had to deal with difficult and "macho" team members like that, and how did you cope?
I seee, thanks a lot!Some firms like to be thorough. I know it can be a lot to ask for, but they will only be asking things they think are relevant and important for them to help them make the right selection.
I know there is a thread here on this forum about this if I can find it I will post it.Hi everyone! I have a quick question regarding the LPC. I have received offers for both BPP and ULaw and I was wondering if anyone has any tips on how to make the choice. I was leaning more towards ULaw but I know that BPP has more partnerships with big-city law firms so I was unsure whether this might affect my applications later on... any help would be greatly appreciated!
Law firms don’t care where you do your LPC. It really won’t have any impact on future applications whether you choose one or the other (or any other LPC institution).Hi everyone! I have a quick question regarding the LPC. I have received offers for both BPP and ULaw and I was wondering if anyone has any tips on how to make the choice. I was leaning more towards ULaw but I know that BPP has more partnerships with big-city law firms so I was unsure whether this might affect my applications later on... any help would be greatly appreciated!
I remember when I applied for the Open Day, which is one of the more competitive Open Days to get onto, I applied over a month in advance and received my invitation to the Open Day at around 7pm the evening before the Open Day (which started at 9am) 🤣 Always remember that it's not a PFO until it's a PFO!White & Case are really going to give summer vacation scheme places the day before it starts.
Here are some recent threads on the topic that I have found:Hi everyone! I have a quick question regarding the LPC. I have received offers for both BPP and ULaw and I was wondering if anyone has any tips on how to make the choice. I was leaning more towards ULaw but I know that BPP has more partnerships with big-city law firms so I was unsure whether this might affect my applications later on... any help would be greatly appreciated!
I know there is a thread here on this forum about this if I can find it I will post it.
Thank you so much!Here are some recent threads on the topic that I have found:
ULaw or BPP for LPC?
Hi guys, I just got an offer from BPP and ULaw. I am a self-funding international student so I am a bit more lenient towards ULaw because they have offered the International Bursary which has made the course cheaper, whereas, I don't qualify for the BPP one due to my grades. I wanted to get a...www.thecorporatelawacademy.comLPC - ULaw v BPP
I was wondering if anyone who is currently studying at either BPP or ULaw could help me to decide which one to choose? In particular, I was wondering if ULaw was fully open-book other than the MCQ's? I am also interested to hear whether this is the case for BPP? Also, I have heard that BPP...www.thecorporatelawacademy.com
Hi Jessica! Thank you so much for your reply!Law firms don’t care where you do your LPC. It really won’t have any impact on future applications whether you choose one or the other (or any other LPC institution).
The only thing I would stress is how viable the LPC as a course (no matter who the provider is) will be. With many firms changing to the SQE in either 2023 or 2024, the LPC has a very short lifespan span, and it’s only really if you are looking to start a TC in 2023 that I think it is a good idea to pursue it.
The only good thing is that it will give you an exemption from SQE1, but that is a very expensive and longwinded way of getting an exemption.
I would say that you can think about allocating roles but do think about the content you're going to speak about too. Often times, the note taker/timekeeper focuses too much on their role and ends up missing the juicy bits of the presentation because someone else volunteered before them. But do remember that you are usually being observed in the group exercise so speak up when needed, be collaborative and offer to help others out with their point too.when you do group exercises, what are the first words usually spoken? Do people assign roles to themselves like PM/note taker/time keeper or just get straight into discussing the task without worrying about formal titles?
Hi @lawstudent1111Hi Jessica! Thank you so much for your reply!
I am in my final year of my qualifying law degree and I have applied for the LPC as I have not been able to secure any vacation schemes or training contracts and was thus considering self funding the LPC and then applying again for vacations schemes/training contracts in the next cycle.
However, I can understand your point about the LPC not being very viable as a course, especially considering its cost, and that as you say many firms will be changing to the SQE in either 2023 or 2024. One of my main worries is not being able to secure a TC right after my LPC and even if I do secure one that firms will have switched to the SQE by then and I would have spent a lot of money on nothing.
Thus I wanted to ask you, in the case that firms do make the switch in 2023/2024, what you would suggest someone in a position like mine to do next year? Of course I am still trying to find other work options and sending applications but any advice would be greatly appreciated!
I understand if this is not your area of expertise and thank you for your time in advance!