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TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

Andrei Radu

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Hi everyone, I don’t usually have long posts on this, but I’m feeling kinda helpless. I’m an international student and though it is only my second year and first round of applications I feel that I have failed. I have a few more law firms to get back to me but I’m sure that those are PFOs as well. I have only one more chance for applications and I feel quite lost. I don’t know what I’m going to do in the meantime, so any advice would be much appreciated.

For a bit more of context, I applied to a total of 35 firms, of which I got to the final stages of 2 and I’m waiting to hear if I got the the final stage of 2 more and I got put on reserve for 1.
Hi @Adithi I completely understand how disappointing, disheartening, and anxiety-inducing it is to end up rejected everywhere as an international student - I have been in the exact same position only two years back. It is a difficult mental state to be in; and I think you should go easy on yourself and take your time to get through it. That said, you should also be conscious of a number of important facts that will make you understand your situation is nowhere near as desperate as you may think:
  1. It is extremely rare for anyone to be successful in securing a VS/TC during their first applications cycle. Learning how to research firms, to write in the appropriate style, to sell your skills and experiences, to perform well in tests and interviews, etc all take time and experience. Throughout this cycle you have definitely improved greatly in all those regards. That is why when you apply again next year you will start from a much stronger position than this cycle, and your success chances will thus be substantially higher.
  2. You already have clear proof you have what it takes to succeed. Believe it or not, getting to two final stages in your first application cycle is absolutely incredible, and easily places you among at least the top 5% candidates. I know many extremely talented people who have not even gotten one final stage over multiple application cycles. In my own case, I was rejected at the first stage in every single one of my applications. If I was able to turn it around and end up with 4 VS offers, believe me that so can you.
  3. There are many things you can do during the summer break to improve your chances for next year. This is an aspect that I think is ignored by way too many candidates, who tend to concentrate all their commercial-law related efforts during the autumn-spring application cycle. Firstly, there are quite a few firms who have direct TC applications open in the summer, and I know a couple of people who secured their offers in that way after an unsuccessful VS cycle. Secondly, you can do many things to improve your candidate profile that you may not have time for during the academic year, from Forage Virtual Work Experiences to working intensely on bettering your commercial awareness. Thirdly, you can start working on your next cycle's VS applications a lot sooner than you would think. A decent number of firms already open applications in August, and for the ones that do not you can pre-prepare answers (assuming their questions are quite constant historically) or at least do the relevant research. This should also give you a lot more time to focus on getting to the very highest quality of writing. A friend of mine who was rejected at a final stage last year and got no offers followed this exact approach; by the start of term time had already completed around 30 applications. He now has just received his 5th VS offer of the year.
  4. Even if you are not successful in getting a TC next year, this does not have to be the end of the road. Firstly, you can get a graduate visa, which will extend your right of stay and right of work in the UK for two years. Secondly, you can apply for a variety of other jobs that would perhaps make your path into getting a TC easier, particularly paralegal roles. Thirdly, if neither of the above works, you can still apply from abroad - I know of a couple of cases of people who ended up being successful that way.
 

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Hi, I was wondering if you sign a vacation scheme offer what then happens if you lter get a clashing scheme you would rather do instead ?
I think @Amma Usman is completely right that you can either withdraw or ask for flexibility. The only thing you should keep in mind is that it will likely be easier for the firm's whose offer you have not accepted yet to switch your dates if there is another scheme they could take you on. If this is not possible I would then just accept the offer of the second firm and try asking for a change of dates/direct TC interview from the first firm, although I would perhaps not mention the competing offer as being the reason why.
 

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I have an AC coming up next week and something’s been playing on my mind. I’ve had absolutely no contact with the firm through events or law fairs. I did try connecting with trainees/associates on LinkedIn, but most of them didn’t really accept my connection request. For context, I did my undergrad abroad and while I did attend virtual law fairs, I haven’t really interacted with this firm specifically. Would this really detrimental to my chances of being successful in the AC?
 
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Hi @baj5 and congratulations on getting to the final stage, it is an incredible achievement! Although this has been posted a couple of times on the forum, I just thought to link again my Complete Competency Interview Guide, as it contains my best tips both for preparation and for the interview itself. I have also quoted a post bellow in which I analyse in more depth how you can go about managing your emotions during the big day. Let me know if you have any further questions and best of luck :)!
Thank you so much for linking this Andrei!
 
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I have an AC coming up next week and something’s been playing on my mind. I’ve had absolutely no contact with the firm through events or law fairs. I did try connecting with trainees/associates on LinkedIn, but most of them didn’t really accept my connection request. For context, I did my undergrad abroad and while I did attend virtual law fairs, I haven’t really interacted with this firm specifically. Would this really detrimental to my chances of being successful in the AC?
Congrats on getting an AC! I think if anything, the fact that you have made it to the AC, shows you have demonstrated a high level of interest and potential to the firm in question. This is despite having ‘no contact with the firm through events or law fairs’. I don’t think a lack of in person or virtual interactions with the firm would be detrimental to your chances of being successful in the AC at all! I think if the firm did have any expectations from you to have had previous interactions with them, they would not have progressed your application to the AC stage! 🙂

I think the most important thing at this stage is to make sure that you go into the AC with a thorough understanding of the firm and why you wish to pursue a career there. I think a good way to do this is through completing any virtual internships the firm has (Forage) and watching any recorded virtual events the firm has hosted in the past. I think if you can draw on previous experiences e.g., virtual law fairs, you could identify the similarities and differences between the firms you have interacted with previously, and the firm you are scheduled to do the AC with.

I think @Andrei Radu, @Amma Usman and @Ram Sabaratnam can provide a much better answer than this though to be honest. Best of luck with your AC! 🙂​
 

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Congrats on getting an AC! I think if anything, the fact that you have made it to the AC, shows you have demonstrated a high level of interest and potential to the firm in question. This is despite having ‘no contact with the firm through events or law fairs’. I don’t think a lack of in person or virtual interactions with the firm would be detrimental to your chances of being successful in the AC at all! I think if the firm did have any expectations from you to have had previous interactions with them, they would not have progressed your application to the AC stage! 🙂

I think the most important thing at this stage is to make sure that you go into the AC with a thorough understanding of the firm and why you wish to pursue a career there. I think a good way to do this is through completing any virtual internships the firm has (Forage) and watching any recorded virtual events the firm has hosted in the past. I think if you can draw on previous experiences e.g., virtual law fairs, you could identify the similarities and differences between the firms you have interacted with previously, and the firm you are scheduled to do the AC with.

I think @Andrei Radu, @Amma Usman and @Ram Sabaratnam can provide a much better answer than this though to be honest. Best of luck with your AC! 🙂​
Thank you @Chris Brown. This really puts my mind at ease 😅
 
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Mara

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I think you are fine to keep most of the general themes and substantive motivations the same: firstly, because they were judged good enough to have your application progressed in the past; secondly, because the firm will have no expectations for your fundamental motivations and candidate profile to have drastically changed in the space of one year. However, you also do not want to seem like you are unmotivated to work on improving yourself and your application. As such, I would aim to include any new experiences or achievements that you can. Similarly, I would try to add new insights you have learnt about the firm: for instance, has it worked on any new major deals/cases, or received important market recognition? Adding these points could strengthen your analysis and make your motivations look more persuasive. Finally, review your writing critically to see if there are any potential improvements regarding style: can you express yourself in a a more concise way? can any points be better phrased? should any sentences be shortened? etc.
Thank you so much, this is immensely helpful!
 
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    @Andrei Radu I have an upcoming interview with a really specialist law firm who focus on one thing only pretty much, and the only reasoning I have as to why I like the work is because it's just my personal interest. Do you think it's a disadvantage to use that as my reason given I haven't done a specific module at uni for it, not paralegalled in it, etc?
     

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    I have an AC coming up next week and something’s been playing on my mind. I’ve had absolutely no contact with the firm through events or law fairs. I did try connecting with trainees/associates on LinkedIn, but most of them didn’t really accept my connection request. For context, I did my undergrad abroad and while I did attend virtual law fairs, I haven’t really interacted with this firm specifically. Would this really detrimental to my chances of being successful in the AC?
    No - you don’t always have to interact with the firm if you can show you have been researching about the firm in other ways.
     


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