TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

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The GDL is highly unlikely to run out of places. They typically only fill around 50-70% of their places each year and are likely to still be selling the courses in the weeks leading up to the programme starting.

I would speak to the firm you are doing a vacation scheme with to see what their process is for GDL courses. Some firms no longer put trainees through the GDL. Others do, and may have a preferred supplier, but may just reimburse you what they would have paid their supplier if you are committed to a course. Worthwhile speaking to them to get advice on how they would navigate the situation.

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It might be worth clarifying that it is likely to be called a "PGDL", but that PGDL and GDL are the same thing in theory - both were once the Common Professional Examination to allow qualification to both solicitor and barrister.

BPP, one of the two main private universities supplying most law firms have long called their conversion course a "PGDL", while Ulaw called theirs a "GDL".

The CPE/GDL/PGDL as it then was, consisted of:

  • Equity & Trusts
  • Tort
  • Contract Law
  • Criminal Law
  • EU Law
  • Public Law
  • Land Law

as the foundation to become a solicitor or barrister.

Now the SRA says "you don't need to a conversion course to become a solicitor: we're widening access, just pass SQE".

However, Ulaw, which, like BPP, is owned by Private Equity, didn't like that, and wanted to continue to sell conversion courses AND SQE courses, to get more money out of students than ever before.

So BPP and Ulaw as the profit-seeking entities that they are updated their course to be more "SQE-friendly", by:

  • adding in company law, as a supposedly a new "core module" of SQE. While company law is indeed a module of SQE, and its own discipline, they only teach part of it on the PGDL, and you'll still need to learn lots of extra material in preparation for SQE (e.g., criminal procedure, civil procedure, wills, property procedure, lots more company law).
  • changing their assessment methods to include a large MCQ component, as is used on SQE1, whereas typically PGDL/GDL previously would be assessed using coursework and written exams.
  • Ulaw rebranded GDL to PGDL to show how new and SQE-friendly it was.
There are public universities, such as Nottingham Trent, offering their course that they have always called 'PGDL' which continues to follow the traditional CPE format of coursework, written exams, and seven modules rather than eight.

The profit-making-uni's-PGDL-followed-by-SQE-prep-course approach is slightly more flexible for the candidate, in that they have then passed the academic stage of becoming a barrister, and for elite law firms they perhaps don't care so much about the cost inflation that BPP/Ulaw/SRA have caused.

However, there's still massive financial gatekeeping because the SQE exams are expensive, and the profit-seeking law schools are obviously motivated to show that candidates who have not been taught at great expense , and have simply learned the entire SQE out of textbooks and then passed the exams are less employable than those who have. And some firms insist on a PGDL but won't pay for it, even for candidates who've passed SQE with flying colours.....

But anyway, as you say the providers (BPP & ULaw) are in it for the money, they won't sell out, and you will be able to sign up until the last moment (and probably even beyond that).
 
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Stephenson harwood spring VS offer!! So surprised considering my SJT score but so excited!

I believe I can also share that I received an offer from Farrer & Co for their summer VS! My summer will therefore be super hectic as I am also completing a VS at Travers Smith the two weeks after as well 😭

Can’t quite believe I am in this position as a non-Russell group student who got rejected from CC’s SPARK scheme post-AC in my second year of uni due to my lack of commercial awareness. Perseverance is so key!
Love to see it. This is a culmination of many years of hard work and dedication - you should be very proud of yourself. Hope you celebrate well!
 

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Does anyone know how much weight is placed on your performance during Stephenson Harwood's placement scheme? I know they do an assessment centre after the scheme, but since the scheme is 2 weeks long I'm assuming your performance would be taken into account as well?

This is usually the case, where your performance on the scheme is equally important. The assessment centre at the end will usually focus on drawing on your experiences from the scheme, as well as other firm-specific components and they will likely guide you on how to prepare for this beforehand. During the scheme itself, you will likely be assessed on specific tasks, maybe group exercises or individual work from a supervisor, etc.
 
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hi guys, i was just wondering what i should do here.
i have applied for, i guess, informal work experience at a firm (just sending a cover letter, cv and preferred location). i sent the email 2 weeks ago on thursday and the auto email was that they would aim to get back within 48 hours. i understand that its quite busy in terms of application season so i was wondering when an appropriate time is to follow up and send another email?

Given it is an informal work experience you are requesting, I am guessing there is no exact date published on the firm’s website. Assuming there was a date on the website, then a reasonable time to follow-up, in my opinion, is 3-6 weeks beforehand. However, as the firm will need to accommodate round the informal work experience, I will suggest holding off for a couple more weeks as they may respond within that timeframe. There is the likelihood they are deliberating round office needs, such as supervisors who will mentor you during the scheme (their availability), as well as other operational considerations.
 

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It’s the start of a new week! Manifesting positive news and energy from law firms for this week. Good luck everyone!

St Patricks Day Rainbow GIF by Spacey

Love to see this Rapunzel! What a lovely way to start off the week.. this is the energy the world needs! The name is also really befitting haha!

Rapunzel GIF
 

Amma Usman

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Browne Jacobson telephone interview for london office :)

Any insights would be very very appreciated. @Andrei Radu @Ram Sabaratnam @Amma Usman
Yay huge congrats!

I’ve dug out a 2018 interview insight from TCLA linked here - https://www.thecorporatelawacademy.com/experience/browne-jacobson/

Given it may have changed in some aspects, I have linked some insights form the firm’s grad rec website here. The stages are largely similar but I have linked it here as well in case it may be of any help - https://www.brownejacobson.com/care...or-pathway/preparing-for-an-assessment-centre

Lastly, @Andrei Radu ‘s interview guide is also one of a kind and will also help in your prep, linked here - https://www.thecorporatelawacademy....de-for-competency-interview-preparation.9380/
 
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I have an upcoming AC this Wednesday and wanted to ask if anyone had any advice on any final preparation I should focus on? Any advice would be greatly appreciated @Jessica Booker @Andrei Radu @Ram Sabaratnam
Hiya. Have they told you what the AC will be based on/ any components to focus on like written exercises, competency interviews, etc?
 

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Yay huge congrats!

I’ve dug out a 2018 interview insight from TCLA linked here - https://www.thecorporatelawacademy.com/experience/browne-jacobson/

Given it may have changed in some aspects, I have linked some insights form the firm’s grad rec website here. The stages are largely similar but I have linked it here as well in case it may be of any help - https://www.brownejacobson.com/care...or-pathway/preparing-for-an-assessment-centre

Lastly, @Andrei Radu ‘s interview guide is also one of a kind and will also help in your prep, linked here - https://www.thecorporatelawacademy....de-for-competency-interview-preparation.9380/
Thank you very much Amma! :) this is super helpful

For context this is what they’ve mentioned in their email - As part of the selection and shortlisting process we would like you to take part in a brief telephone interview. We use telephone interviewing to help us understand your commitment and motivation, and it enables us to assess a number of attributes. The interview is likely to last around fifteen minutes.

Is there a question bank I can refer to in relation to this which is accessible to all without membership?

Many thanks in advance :)
 

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Love to see it. This is a culmination of many years of hard work and dedication - you should be very proud of yourself. Hope you celebrate well!
Thank you so much!! The TCLA community has been really motivating this cycle! I definitely took more steps this year in my fourth (and final 🙏🏼) year of uni to develop outside of my academics and I think it has paid off 🥹

I definitely will celebrate!! I’ve only just stopped celebrating my birthday from over the weekend 🤣
 

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Thank you so much!! The TCLA community has been really motivating this cycle! I definitely took more steps this year in my fourth (and final 🙏🏼) year of uni to develop outside of my academics and I think it has paid off 🥹

I definitely will celebrate!! I’ve only just stopped celebrating my birthday from over the weekend 🤣
Happy belated birthday and well done on the offers!
Also a third congrats to @Chris Brown :)
 

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