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TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

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Ram Sabaratnam

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Do internships even matter? They are worse than Vacation schemes!

Even if you get a competitive internship with a firm, you don't get considered for a training contract or any advantage when applying versus thousands of other applicants. It's an absolute joke. I know cause I completed one for both private practice(London) and in-house.

Heya @Logan1101

Having been in a similar situation before, I understand where your frustration is coming from. It’s disheartening to secure competitive internships and then find they don’t translate into more long-term opportunities at those organisations.

But I don't think it follows that these experiences are without value. The fact that you were able to access both competitive private practice and in-house internships is a pretty big achievement. Even if the training contract didn’t materialise, you’ve gained something substantial: a clearer sense of what lawyers do, and what kinds of legal environments you operate well in. That’s definitely not trivial.

To get the most out of these for future applications, I think it's worth thinking about what these internships gave you that you didn’t have before? What felt interesting? What did you observe about legal practice? What kind of problems did you get to help address? What kind of tasks did you get to carry out? Think also about what these experiences taught you about your own interests and aptitudes. This kind of reflection can be powerful when you get to drafting future applications, not only as evidence of your clear competence, but as an indication to recruiters of your thoughtfulness and resilience.

Again, none of this negates the disappointment. But it does mean your work and experiences have value, even if it isn't yet obvious to you. Really encourage you to leverage these achievements going forward. Let us know if you have any questions about how you can do that effectively. Happy to help.
 

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The upcoming cycle is going to be my 2nd application since graduating. I've only been doing retail work and volunteering in this time. Is this something I am likely to be questioned on during interviews? IDK why but it feels like I've done nothing with my time, but I'm committed to law so I haven't felt the need to pursue graduate positions other than vac schemes. I've also had medical issues that made doing things and being active quite difficult, although I'd rather not disclose it to the firms I apply to.

This is something I'm always worried about for whatever reason, does anybody have personal experience or know somebody who has been in this position and succeeded?
 

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The upcoming cycle is going to be my 2nd application since graduating. I've only been doing retail work and volunteering in this time. Is this something I am likely to be questioned on during interviews? IDK why but it feels like I've done nothing with my time, but I'm committed to law so I haven't felt the need to pursue graduate positions other than vac schemes. I've also had medical issues that made doing things and being active quite difficult, although I'd rather not disclose it to the firms I apply to.

This is something I'm always worried about for whatever reason, does anybody have personal experience or know somebody who has been in this position and succeeded?
I Don’t Think so. I graduated in 2022 and been applying without doing anything in UK law. It’s fine, they understand how hard it is to get a job in law imo. BTW I’ve secured 2 vac schemes and 4 ACs with this background
 

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Hi @Jessica Booker @Amma Usman @Andrei Radu @Ram Sabaratnam

I have an AC next week where i have to give a presentation based on an answer I provided in my application for a ‘please describe a current news story which is of interest to you and why.’ I decided at the time to use an answer that I had used previously related to competition as I was best able to link it back to myself and my prior experience.

The firm’s London office does not offer a seat in competition nor have a practice area in it. A lot of advice I have seen online for this AC says that candidates should expand on their commercial story and that it is really important to explicitly link it back to the firm and not just rely on knowing the topic well.

I am struggling to find ways to link it back to the firm since they don’t work in competition law and don’t really know how to approach this? Does anyone have any advice?
 

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Anyone know if the following deadline from Winston and Strawn means midnight tonight (eg Sunday evening) or midnight tomorrow (eg Monday evening)? So confused by this language!

The deadline to complete this task is midnight on Monday 7th April 2025.
dodgy drafting!

Conventionally style guides suggest it means the end of Monday.

However, it's poor to use in this context, which would be better expressed as 23:59:59 (cf. 00:00, which is unambiguously then Sunday night into Monday morning)
 

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How do I answer, " What has attracted you to the role of campus ambassador at Hogan Lovells? " Should I make it relate personally to me, the firm, or both, @Andrei Radu?
I would ensure both are covered. It’s important to make the focus on the brand ambassador role though - the answer should not talk about the firm or opportunity as if it is a TC or VS opportunity.
 
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Hi @Andrei Radu,

I hope you are keeping well.

Breezy has an interview coming up with Paul Hastings for their Phirst Steps SVS. I am asking the following question on his behalf. He is away on a Spring VS at the moment. I think he asked you similar questions on this forum before re Paul, Weiss and Willkie, to which you gave really good answers. I have copied it below:

‘How would you describe Paul Hastings’ position in the City of London? Who are the firm’s closest competitors in relation to (1) the firm’s core practice areas and (2) other US BigLaw firms in London? What makes Paul Hastings unique compared to its competitors?

Could you explain the difference between debt and equity capital markets? Is this the same as PE? Could you also explain what capital markets: securitisation and capital markets: high yield products are? Please help.’​
 
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Morning everyone, I have a bit of a silly question. How do you actually build your commercial awareness? I have signed up to newsletters such as Little Law and Non-billable which I am trying to be more consistent with my reading. I just realised that I have been passively reading without retain the information 🤣 Any tips to improve your commercial awareness and how to think more commercially are welcome 🙏
 
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