Would it be wrong to say you are excited by the opportunity of client secondments? As although this is true does it sound like I want out before i'm in?
How's your networking game fam? I legitimately cold messaged a partner on LinkedIn for a chat and got invited to have a coffee in person. I've messaged trainees on behalf of my friends too and they almost always land some sort of video call.Hi @Abbie Whitlock @Andrei Radu (and everyone else), I could really use some honest advice, and sorry in advance for how long this is.
Last year (after graduating) I focused fully on TC applications. I made 7 applications and reached 3 assessment centres, but was ultimately rejected. The feedback was mainly that my answers were too long and I lacked commercial awareness.
I was upset, but also encouraged bc I believed that 3 ACs from 7 applications suggested my academics/profile were competitive. So I moved to London, tried to secure a paralegal/legal role, and when that didn’t work out I took a part-time retail job and dedicated my time to improving for this cycle.
This year I submitted 17 applications and only got 1 interview and then got rejected (Skadden). I’m still waiting for feedback, but honestly I feel crushed. It genuinely feels like I went backwards despite putting in far more effort.
Since last year I have:
• completed an internship at Barclays
• paid for application review support + mock interviews
• refined my CV/ work experience section multiple times
• improved my answers and structure
• actively worked on commercial awareness
I truly believe this year’s applications were significantly stronger than last year’s, yet the results were dramatically worse.
I also had interviews last year with Gibson Dunn and White & Case and was told reapplying would be fine and prior applications/ interview performance wouldn’t affect any future ones. However, Gibson Dunn (applied November) hasn’t responded at all despite follow-ups, which has been particularly discouraging as they and Skadden are my top firms. I also completed the VI for White & Case in December and still haven’t heard back, even though candidates who completed it later have already been invited to ACs/ received PFOs.
At the same time I’m struggling financially in London on a part-time retail salary and cannot seem to land a paralegal role. Everything requires experience. I’ve applied through agencies, cold-emailed, called firms, sent speculative applications and nothing has worked.
So I’d really appreciate advice on three things:
I want to be clear: I’m not looking for sympathy, just honest guidance on what to change because clearly something isn’t working.
- How can I realistically obtain a paralegal/legal role with no past experience?
- What should I be doing between now and next cycle beyond daily commercial awareness study + interview practice + completing TCLA courses?
- Do firms genuinely review your application if you have previously interviewed? I am especially concerned about Skadden and Gibson Dunn, as these are genuinely my dream firms.
- I know this is wrong and not advisable, but could I apply with a new email and not disclose that I have previously interviewed? Since I’ll be changing my last name this year (for unrelated reasons, I promise I am not crazy), would that make it harder for firms to connect me to my previous applications? I appreciate this may not be the right approach, I’m just feeling stuck and trying to understand my options.
Thank you to anyone who reads all of this/ offers any advice, I really appreciate it
I would recommend online resources such as aspiring solicitors or grow mentoringHi @Abbie Whitlock @Andrei Radu (and everyone else), I could really use some honest advice, and sorry in advance for how long this is.
Last year (after graduating) I focused fully on TC applications. I made 7 applications and reached 3 assessment centres, but was ultimately rejected. The feedback was mainly that my answers were too long and I lacked commercial awareness.
I was upset, but also encouraged bc I believed that 3 ACs from 7 applications suggested my academics/profile were competitive. So I moved to London, tried to secure a paralegal/legal role, and when that didn’t work out I took a part-time retail job and dedicated my time to improving for this cycle.
This year I submitted 17 applications and only got 1 interview and then got rejected (Skadden). I’m still waiting for feedback, but honestly I feel crushed. It genuinely feels like I went backwards despite putting in far more effort.
Since last year I have:
• completed an internship at Barclays
• paid for application review support + mock interviews
• refined my CV/ work experience section multiple times
• improved my answers and structure
• actively worked on commercial awareness
I truly believe this year’s applications were significantly stronger than last year’s, yet the results were dramatically worse.
I also had interviews last year with Gibson Dunn and White & Case and was told reapplying would be fine and prior applications/ interview performance wouldn’t affect any future ones. However, Gibson Dunn (applied November) hasn’t responded at all despite follow-ups, which has been particularly discouraging as they and Skadden are my top firms. I also completed the VI for White & Case in December and still haven’t heard back, even though candidates who completed it later have already been invited to ACs/ received PFOs.
At the same time I’m struggling financially in London on a part-time retail salary and cannot seem to land a paralegal role. Everything requires experience. I’ve applied through agencies, cold-emailed, called firms, sent speculative applications and nothing has worked.
So I’d really appreciate advice on three things:
I want to be clear: I’m not looking for sympathy, just honest guidance on what to change because clearly something isn’t working.
- How can I realistically obtain a paralegal/legal role with no past experience?
- What should I be doing between now and next cycle beyond daily commercial awareness study + interview practice + completing TCLA courses?
- Do firms genuinely review your application if you have previously interviewed? I am especially concerned about Skadden and Gibson Dunn, as these are genuinely my dream firms.
- I know this is wrong and not advisable, but could I apply with a new email and not disclose that I have previously interviewed? Since I’ll be changing my last name this year (for unrelated reasons, I promise I am not crazy), would that make it harder for firms to connect me to my previous applications? I appreciate this may not be the right approach, I’m just feeling stuck and trying to understand my options.
Thank you to anyone who reads all of this/ offers any advice, I really appreciate it
Got the same emailD&P rejection( they said in my rejection my application was " was certainly impressive" , do they put these in all responses LOL need something to feed my ego abit as i am saddd!!!!!!!!!!
Got the same email(( sorry
Bumping in case anyone’s heard?
Hi @Abbie Whitlock @Andrei Radu (and everyone else), I could really use some honest advice, and sorry in advance for how long this is.
So I’d really appreciate advice on three things:
I want to be clear: I’m not looking for sympathy, just honest guidance on what to change because clearly something isn’t working.
- How can I realistically obtain a paralegal/legal role with no past experience?
- What should I be doing between now and next cycle beyond daily commercial awareness study + interview practice + completing TCLA courses?
- Do firms genuinely review your application if you have previously interviewed? I am especially concerned about Skadden and Gibson Dunn, as these are genuinely my dream firms.
- I know this is wrong and not advisable, but could I apply with a new email and not disclose that I have previously interviewed? Since I’ll be changing my last name this year (for unrelated reasons, I promise I am not crazy), would that make it harder for firms to connect me to my previous applications? I appreciate this may not be the right approach, I’m just feeling stuck and trying to understand my options.
Thank you to anyone who reads all of this/ offers any advice, I really appreciate it
Same but I’ll be gutted 😭all the other firms I’ve applied to are blanking meSomeone posted that Morgan Lewis said we’d hear back by the end of next week so by Fri Feb 20. I’m assuming a PFO from them ngl lmao.
I had 5 months from AG once who then gave me 3 days to do their VIMy Sidley is 132 days and McDermott is 107 days. RIP.
Wow I really appreciate this! I hadn’t realized you could just be vague about the stage you reached. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that lol. I’ve interviewed at four American firms so far, so some of my applications are okay, but I definitely need to work on my interview skills. Honestly, I’m not exactly sure what to do next to improve.hi, I think that if you've previously interviewed you will be a "no" for many firms.
applying with a new email is IMO a good thing, but I would always disclose that you've applied previously if they ask - most of the time you can just say "applied unsuccessfully" and they don't ask the specific stage. lying would be a fatal error though.
if you're struggling to get into American firms, you will be more attractive as a candidate at some lower ranked firms.