What's this? If you pass the automated WG, there'd be VIs and it's not automatic as they screened your app, esp essays which accounted for decision.Does CC automatic test have any VI element also?
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What's this? If you pass the automated WG, there'd be VIs and it's not automatic as they screened your app, esp essays which accounted for decision.Does CC automatic test have any VI element also?
A lot of recruitment is down to luck and chance. Recruiters are also human and there is a large degree of subjectivity. Getting a PFO DOES NOT mean you’re not a strong candidate (you objectively are). Don’t doubt yourself. Remember: all it takes is one yes. Don’t let a random recruiter who probably spent a few minutes MAX reading your application make you doubt yourself. It wasn’t Clifford Chance this time, but there are so many more opportunities out there.CC PFO after passing the Watson Glaser. Genuinely how do these firms choose?
I have a previous VS with another firm, direct banking and finance experience (which I tailored my app to and was firm specific for EVERYTHING), and a first class degree from RG (non-law). Am I just unlucky or is there something I’m missing?
It’s so unhelpful as they never provide any feedback whatsoever so it feels like a guessing game. Sorry for the rant, but to not even make it to VI at this point is so demoralising and it’s making me doubtful of my other applications.
honestlyy it just seems like a luck game or maybe they want to focus on people who have actually worked with them, possibly through campus ambassadors, spark etc… I’ve worked at 3 mc firms in as a finance paralegal with a law degree (RG) and still nothing. At this point we might have to monitor if they are actually recruiting peopleCC PFO after passing the Watson Glaser. Genuinely how do these firms choose?
I have a previous VS with another firm, direct banking and finance experience (which I tailored my app to and was firm specific for EVERYTHING), and a first class degree from RG (non-law). Am I just unlucky or is there something I’m missing?
It’s so unhelpful as they never provide any feedback whatsoever so it feels like a guessing game. Sorry for the rant, but to not even make it to VI at this point is so demoralising and it’s making me doubtful of my other applications.
I think we may be the same person hahaCC PFO after passing the Watson Glaser. Genuinely how do these firms choose?
I have a previous VS with another firm, direct banking and finance experience (which I tailored my app to and was firm specific for EVERYTHING), and a first class degree from RG (non-law). Am I just unlucky or is there something I’m missing?
It’s so unhelpful as they never provide any feedback whatsoever so it feels like a guessing game. Sorry for the rant, but to not even make it to VI at this point is so demoralising and it’s making me doubtful of my other applications.
I'm surprised too, but I never met them at their events, so I can't say what's missing in me. Definitely something that is not covered in my app that they're looking for. The only difference is I don't have any VS/direct legal experience.CC PFO after passing the Watson Glaser. Genuinely how do these firms choose?
I have a previous VS with another firm, direct banking and finance experience (which I tailored my app to and was firm specific for EVERYTHING), and a first class degree from RG (non-law). Am I just unlucky or is there something I’m missing?
It’s so unhelpful as they never provide any feedback whatsoever so it feels like a guessing game. Sorry for the rant, but to not even make it to VI at this point is so demoralising and it’s making me doubtful of my other applications.
I thought you'd be progressed as you said your app was in review when mine had already archived.Clifford Chance PFO too. I really enjoyed the WG test, but I’m not too upset I won’t be progressing. On to the next applications! Commiserations to everyone who also got a PFO and huge congratulations to those who progressed!
Thank you so, so, so much Andrei!!! I am so grateful for the reassurance on both fronts, as well as the guidance on how to best focus my energies. I will make sure not to get too caught up in the technical stuff & will try to focus more on the core ideas you mentioned.Hi @ashwright and first of all huge congratulations for getting your first AC - you should be very proud of yourself![]()
!! As for your questions, I would say the following:
For improving technical knowledge and commercial awareness, I would advise you to consult Investopedia and use general Google searches to clarify any important business/legal concepts that you may be asked to explain. I do not think you need to be able to calculate EBIDA or company valuation; these are matters generally expected of financial analysts at investment banks rather than commercial lawyers. I have not heard about such tasks featuring in ACs at law firms, and I can say from personal experience that (i) I have been successful without knowing how to do that; and that (ii) the vast majority of people I know who have been successful would also not known how to do that. As such, I would not worry over and invest a lot of time in trying to memorise complex formulas; rather, I would simply try to be acquainted with and be able to explain in laymen terms the underlying concepts (ie. what is EBIDA and why is it useful?). More generally, to ensure you have covered your bases technical knowledge-wise, I think you should have a basic understanding of the following:
- For general competency interview preparation advice, I would advise you to follow the step-by-step approach I laid out in the Complete Competency Interview Preparation Guide. Its underlying philosophy is to enable you to develop great interview skills rather than simply memorising answers, and I converted ACs at MC/US firms 4/4 times I implemented it.
- For firm-specific preparation, I cannot give you much guidance as I have not applied to the firm. Nonetheless, I would highly recommend you check out (i) any interview experience articles at A&O Shearman on TCLA's Premium Database; and (ii) texting people in your wider social circle/messaging LinkedIn connections who interviewed at the firm to ask for best advice.
Finally, for building and improving confidence, I would say the following:
- Some fundamental company law & company organisation matters, such as the different roles of shareholders vs directors, role of articles of association, concept of limited liability and separate legal personality, etc.
- Common financial jargon - ie interest rates, equity vs debt finance, IPOs, bonds, securities, market capitalisation etc.
- Types of institutions in financial markets and their roles: corporates, investment banks, PE funds, hedge funds, venture capital funds, asset managers, private credit funds, etc.
- The different types of legal services offered to these clients by different practice areas of a law firm (ie you should be able to explain what department of the firm is responsible for what type of legal service and why clients need that type of legal service).
- Some knowledge of M&A: you should understand the basic nature and structures of M&A deals (asset deal vs share purchase agreement), their strategic rationales, risks associates with M&A and how that is mitigated through contractual terms, the basic M&A terms (warranties & indemnities, NDAs, conditions precedent, etc), and the rough stages of an M&A transaction.
- Have the right mindset and do not put too much pressure on yourself: of course, having the right mindset is key; the hundred dollar question is identifying (i) what exactly is this optimal mindset to aim for; and (ii) how can you actually go about developing it. For (i), I would say you want your attitude on the day to be something along these lines "The fact that I have gotten to this stage out of a huge pool of candidates is clear proof I have everything it takes to succeed. I have prepared thoroughly and I know that, if I simply focus on answering each question well and I therefore score well across the board, I have a really good chance to succeed. I do not need to put pressure on myself to be absolutely exceptional in any way or to compare myself with and try to outshine others, as I know this actually more often than not leads to making major errors and to not scoring well at all in some assessment criteria." For (ii), I think you should try to continuously internalise this line of thinking by consciously reminding yourself of it every time you catch yourself worrying a lot before the AC and thinking you may not be good enough. At first, you may not think this is very helpful, but as time goes on, continuously directing your thoughts in a positive way can definitely work wonder.
- Speak at a slower pace and take more strategic breaks when answering questions: this is a point I have made a number of times on the forum, but I truly think it can make a huge difference. In stressful scenarios, people naturally start speaking faster, which unfortunately leads to you having less time to consider exactly what you want to say and how you want to go about saying it, which can then cause you to choose suboptimal substantive points to make or to express them in an unclear/inarticulate manner. This can then cause a negative feedback loop that impacts your whole performance. If instead you slow down and take more 2-3 second breaks between points/before starting an answer, that gives you more time to think and will also make you appear more composed and in control, which can create a positive feedback look and actually make you feel more composed and in control.
Thanks so much! This is helpful for my prepStage 1 test is a mix of both of those two.
I don’t think that status meant anything tbh.I thought you'd be progressed as you said your app was in review when mine had already archived.
Ah I just wish I was a nepo baby with Partner-level connections at this point. It's so tiring to keep proving yourself constantly