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TCLA General Discussion Thread 2022-23

Caroline1999

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Nov 12, 2021
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Hi,

Just feeling super anxious and worried right now, just wondering if anyone could provide some insight?

After completing a vac scheme last spring and this winter, I have failed to convert both to a training contract.

I am slightly anxious that failing to covert 2 VSs will look negatively on my application? Does anyone know anyone who has done 2 vac schemes failed to convert them however gone on to have successful careers?

Thank you so much for any insights you may have :)
 

Mahesh

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Sep 22, 2018
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Hi Caroline, this is perfectly normal - not only have I been through this, but I know many others who have. And frankly, once you convert one TC, you’ll be surprised at how the other TC offers come one after the next!

I set out some context and then some insights afterwards below.

Context:
Why it is fine:
In relationships, we see it as perfectly normal to meet different people before settling down with the right match. Even for most other careers, folks do 2-3 internships at various organisations before getting an offer.
Why it may not be fine (from a Law firm POV): Law firms can be risk-averse, and their only concern may be that you have a persistent trait that needs to be improved before you are ready to be a trainee - it is on you to demonstrate how you have changed following feedback.

Insights:
1. Control the narrative - focus on the positive
Rather than let your interviewers slip into their assumptions of why you did not make it, control the narrative by talking about (I) what an amazing opportunity you had at those 2 firms to experience a variety of practice areas and network with a ton of lawyers (II) how that influenced what practice areas you wanted to undertake (which ideally will be aligned with the law firm you are interviewing with) and what kind of firm you wanted to train in and (iii) how you took away any constructive feedback from that vac scheme to improve yourself in clear tangible and measurable ways.

2. Have a steely sense of confidence about your story. Rather than explain the situation from a defensive position, explain from a position of strength: Rather than saying I was rejected or I had many problems that I needed to fix, it’s much better to say I learnt that I operated better in x environment instead, or I have since worked on improving my x skill following feedback from the vac scheme by doing y.

To end-off, my gray-area/controversial personal opinions below:

1. Anything can be explained with enough confidence. I have seen friends lateral as an NQ into another firm without even undertaking a seat in that practice area. Think about the FTX collapse, how even government institutions bought FTX’s story. Read around how delivery of your answer is the deal-breaker, and focus on explaining all the positives you bring to the role - mainly that you have pretty much undertaken a mini-TC for a month and therefore have a good stepping stone to a full TC as opposed to someone who has just done one VS and only knows one kind of law firm environment. Someone who has the perfect CV but doesn’t know how to deliver it will probably not have a shot too.

2. This is just my observation, but firms do not go and check with each other whether an offer was given or not - it just doesn’t happen. So sometimes less is more. If they do not explicitly ask you whether you got an offer or not, there may be no need to explain it at all and instead focus on what you learnt from those vac schemes!

Hope this was helpful Caroline, and all the best!
 

Seven

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@Jessica Booker @Erin Hi Jessica/Erin, I subscribed to TCLA Gold Premium yesterday on Friday night. Still waiting for someone to grant me access to the group on this forum. Nobody is responding to the membership request. Can you please please help. I desperately need a use of these materials. Appreciate any help you can give.
 

Jessica Booker

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@Jessica Booker @Erin Hi Jessica/Erin, I subscribed to TCLA Gold Premium yesterday on Friday night. Still waiting for someone to grant me access to the group on this forum. Nobody is responding to the membership request. Can you please please help. I desperately need a use of these materials. Appreciate any help you can give.
Hi @Zab - the team doesn’t work over the weekend, so this will be picked up on Monday. Unfortunately I don’t have access to the system to see whether you have purchased the subscription, but if you want to private message me and screenshots of confirmation of your purchase, I can at least give you access to the premium forum content (I can’t give you access to the learning platform though unfortunately).
 
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Erin

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@Jessica Booker @Erin Hi Jessica/Erin, I subscribed to TCLA Gold Premium yesterday on Friday night. Still waiting for someone to grant me access to the group on this forum. Nobody is responding to the membership request. Can you please please help. I desperately need a use of these materials. Appreciate any help you can give.
Hi @ZJ - apologies for the delay here! You will now have full access to all of the premium resources included with your membership. Feel free to reach out if you need anything further. Best, Erin 😊
 

HopefulFutureTrainee123

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Hi @ZJ - apologies for the delay here! You will now have full access to all of the premium resources included with your membership. Feel free to reach out if you need anything further. Best, Erin 😊
Hi, I have a similar request. I have a couple of weeks left on a free month of membership, but no one has responded to the membership request. If I am not entitled to this, please let me know, but if I am I'd love access! Thanks :)
 

samni

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I completed the junior lawyers form and replied to an email asking for more information a week ago, wondering what the status is for that as I wish to access the JLC!
Similarly, I sent in an application for the JLC through the Google Form a couple of weeks ago but have yet to receive any emails at all about the sign up. Is there somewhere else I need to send my information/proof to join the community? Would really love to gain access :)

@Jessica Booker @Erin
 

HopefulFutureTrainee123

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Does Orrick have minimum A Level requirements? I rlly wanna apply there but it seems soo competitive!!
It says no requirement on Chambers Student Guide: Application and selection criteria - Chambers Student Guide
They also told me to apply with a low 2.1, so I don't think grades mean *that* much to them. They have many application questions and a cover letter, so I think they're hoping that people would be put off by that? Hence they don't have to have such strict academic requirements.
 

EVjuji

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Nov 29, 2019
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Are there any resources on TCLA (premium) to prepare for an AC? The AC consists of a written exercise, role play and case study.
I am aware of the 200 interview questions bank on TCLA.

Any tips how to prepare for the written exercise and case study?

I have never attended an AC before. :/
 
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daisy_yawn

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Are there any resources on TCLA (premium) to prepare for an AC? The AC consists of a written exercise, role play and case study.
I am aware of the 200 interview questions bank on TCLA.

Any tips how to prepare for the written exercise and case study?

I have never attended an AC before. :/
It depends on the firm so maybe search for that firm specifically on the database?
 

Jessica Booker

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@Jessica Booker Hi Jessica! I've signed up for the premium subscription yesterday but my membership for the forum is still awaiting approval. When can I expect approval to be granted (if you know)?
Hi @daisy_yawn - please can you PM me with a screenshot of your purchase and I’ll provide you with access.
 

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