TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

baj5

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hi everyone, I just got rejected by the firm I completed a vac scheme with this summer. I am waiting to get feedback which I will of course incorporate into my next cycle but do any of you have any advice? Whether it's on how to keep going or anything else at all, it would be appreciated! :)
 

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    Question for anyone who is subscribed to Watson's Daily - what device/browser/medium do you tend to read it on? I really want to subscribe, but when I used it on a trial basis, I found the UI on its app a bit hard to read/use. I'm not sure whether it's better to view it as an email, on the iPhone app or the website? It might just be a me-problem, so please lmk either way 😅

    Similarly, I'd appreciate if anyone has had any experience with Finimize - the price is a bit prohibitive & I don't think I understood how to use it properly during the trial. If anyone thinks it's worth getting, I'd love to hear your thoughts!
    Watson daily on a laptop, and worth for like £5 or whatever it is.

    Finimize not really worth it, unless your'e into investing which is what its good for (even then most the stories can be found on free publications, money stuff, etc....)
     
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    Lastseasonwonder

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    So I don't know if this helps but I worked full time as a paralegal and have just secured a TC. Working as a Paralegal is a solid back up plan as whilst the pay is extremely low and it is long hours after two years you can qualify as an NQ you don't actually need a TC under the SQE regime. You just need to choose a solid firm that has a history of converting paralegals to NQs - i.e. AG, Macfarlanes etc.
    Thanks for your response. I agree with someone else's response - that it is quite difficult to secure a paralegal role at such firms, particularly given recent market.

    But yes that helps - great to hear you secured a TC whilst working FT as a paralegal.

    Onwards and upwards!
     
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    Getting a paralegal role can be tough too though.
    That's true, I found that my experience in another sector was actually key to securing the paralegal position - I have been informed that they were hiring for a really long time but applicants didn't have the relevant experience. I was lucky as the field I worked in gave me indirect exposure i.e. I understood how the product worked from a front-of-house perspective, even though I had never worked in the legal field previously. My experience is extremely non-traditional so I wouldn't advise it, I can only say I was fortunate and it worked for me - but if you are struggling with getting a TC or paralegal role, I may suggest looking at other areas - compliance, audit, tax, finance to build experience and get money and apply in your downtime along side - Again I was very lucky (1 application cycle and 1 firm) and please take this with a pinch of salt - however I can't see getting experience in something else as a downside as everything is transferable (if you don't believe me I was told an applicant who was a chef was given a TC two years ago which is amazing - demonstrating that many skills are sought after and experience is also invaluable)
     
    Hi has anyone found success in reapplying to firms after being rejected at app stage or even interview stage ?

    and if I do apply, should I completely change all the answers ?

    should I mention how I have improved on the feedback given from the last AC?

    and do firms acc compare w previous applications by the same person at all
     
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    lawstudent2

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    Anyone know which firms are strict on grades? I know that essentially all say a 2.1 is fine but I've heard that some, such as slaughters, are stricter and want a high 2.1 only. Since my grades are a low 2.1 I want to make sure I am applying to suitable firms and am not wasting any time
     

    billyonthespeeddial

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    Anyone know which firms are strict on grades? I know that essentially all say a 2.1 is fine but I've heard that some, such as slaughters, are stricter and want a high 2.1 only. Since my grades are a low 2.1 I want to make sure I am applying to suitable firms and am not wasting any time
    Slaughter and May and Jones Day. Not "strict", but they do pay attention to grades beyond whether it's a 2.1.
     

    ashwright

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    Quick question about commercial awareness!

    Even though I regularly read the FT + listen to FT adjacent podcasts, I still find myself lacking a lot of the foundations of commercial awareness. I read most of 'All You Need to Know about the City' a couple of years ago and made loads of flashcards - I found this super helpful in learning the basic ideas of profit, debt, shares, M&A etc.

    I wanted to check if you guys have any recommendations for similar resources which help build the foundations? I'd appreciate anything with a 1.) similar general finance theme and/or 2.) a similar beginner's guide more geared towards law + practice areas. A more 'law-specific' resource would be nice because I'm not super familiar with practice areas etc. Reading law firms' website descriptions of practice areas is a bit more ambiguous than I'd like.

    Investopedia is great but a more structured resource (e.g., course, book) would be preferred! I know the TCLA offers courses but I'm not too sure which would be best for my very basic needs. Thank you in advance!
     

    Ram Sabaratnam

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    I feel I am in a little bit of a pickle, but I can't be the only one, right? Does anyone else work full-time?

    I am a few years since graduating and despite a few vac schemes, I have no TC offer. I am in a legal role now but it is not permanent and I have recently found myself worrying a lot about next steps.

    Last cycle, I was quite burn out for multiple reasons and didn't apply to many, but I said to myself that I want to give applications a strong go this cycle and see what happens, but I'm not sure what job I will take up after my current one.

    I have tried for paralegal roles at law firms, but they always want very specific experience in X practice area. And even then, would this be a good idea? Working long hours and little time to apply for TCs.

    It feels very crushing doing such jobs because you know your heart is not fully in it (no progression) and you know what you want is a TC to progress your career. What should I do please? Should I apply for Master's degrees? Should I continue working full-time? I have spent so much time and energy since graduating thinking about this odd situation (honestly, there is nothing like being a law grad!) and even thought about alternative careers because of lack of progression and development. But I think I still want to do a TC and qualify as a lawyer.

    Would really appreciate any advice, and if you are in a similar situation, feel free to DM me. Let's talk!

    Hiya @Lastseasonwonder

    Wanted to add some more suggestions in addition to the great advice that you've already received on here.

    First, I just want to say you're definitely not alone in feeling stuck at this stage. Over the past year, I've met many capable candidates finding themselves in similar situations post-graduation. I'm also sorry to hear that you're feeling burnt out. Hoping you can find a way around that in the upcoming cycle. While many candidates see paralegal as the default next step, it’s not always the most strategic one. Although highly specific practice area experience can help, it's not necessary and securing/enduring these roles can be. exhausting.
    1. Consider alternative roles that build relevant skills: You don’t need to be a paralegal to get a TC. Roles in compliance, legal tech, business development, or operations (either within law firms or adjacent sectors) can help you build exactly the sort of skills that firms are looking for at the TC application stage. Similarly, roles at regulators, in research, or in high-responsibility admin positions often offer client exposure and project work. What matters is evidence of growth and transferable experience. These jobs may also be far more helpful in allowing you to have the time to prepare applications, and to avoid feeling burnt out (which is mostly what I'm worried about). That said, paralegal roles can be useful when they give you exposure to quality legal work, the chance to build relationships with lawyers, or the ability to apply internally. If you’re applying to firms that hire their paralegals into TCs or that value sustained legal experience, then it may be worth pursuing, but only if it leaves you with enough headspace to build a strong application cycle alongside it.

    2. Doing an LLM: I've already mentioned this, but doing an LLM is not a requirement for a TC (and in most cases that I've seen, it won’t meaningfully strengthen your application). The few times I've seen it make a difference are when the LLM is highly specialised and directly aligned with the kind of firm or practice you’re targeting (e.g. IP or maritime focussed LLMs). Otherwise, there's a risk of investing a lot of time and money into something that won’t move the needle. That said, an LLM may give you more breathing room to focus on subjects you're genuinely interested in and could give you more room to prepare well drafted applications during your degree, but this is still a very costly way to achieve that "breathing room".
    Hope this isn't rehashing anything you might already know, but definitely don't hesitate to post here if you have any other questions or need any help with the application process. Hang in there @Lastseasonwonder 🙏
     

    futuretraineesolicitor

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    Hiya @Lastseasonwonder

    Wanted to add some more suggestions in addition to the great advice that you've already received on here.

    First, I just want to say you're definitely not alone in feeling stuck at this stage. Over the past year, I've met many capable candidates finding themselves in similar situations post-graduation. I'm also sorry to hear that you're feeling burnt out. Hoping you can find a way around that in the upcoming cycle. While many candidates see paralegal as the default next step, it’s not always the most strategic one. Although highly specific practice area experience can help, it's not necessary and securing/enduring these roles can be. exhausting.
    1. Consider alternative roles that build relevant skills: You don’t need to be a paralegal to get a TC. Roles in compliance, legal tech, business development, or operations (either within law firms or adjacent sectors) can help you build exactly the sort of skills that firms are looking for at the TC application stage. Similarly, roles at regulators, in research, or in high-responsibility admin positions often offer client exposure and project work. What matters is evidence of growth and transferable experience. These jobs may also be far more helpful in allowing you to have the time to prepare applications, and to avoid feeling burnt out (which is mostly what I'm worried about). That said, paralegal roles can be useful when they give you exposure to quality legal work, the chance to build relationships with lawyers, or the ability to apply internally. If you’re applying to firms that hire their paralegals into TCs or that value sustained legal experience, then it may be worth pursuing, but only if it leaves you with enough headspace to build a strong application cycle alongside it.

    2. Doing an LLM: I've already mentioned this, but doing an LLM is not a requirement for a TC (and in most cases that I've seen, it won’t meaningfully strengthen your application). The few times I've seen it make a difference are when the LLM is highly specialised and directly aligned with the kind of firm or practice you’re targeting (e.g. IP or maritime focussed LLMs). Otherwise, there's a risk of investing a lot of time and money into something that won’t move the needle. That said, an LLM may give you more breathing room to focus on subjects you're genuinely interested in and could give you more room to prepare well drafted applications during your degree, but this is still a very costly way to achieve that "breathing room".
    Hope this isn't rehashing anything you might already know, but definitely don't hesitate to post here if you have any other questions or need any help with the application process. Hang in there @Lastseasonwonder 🙏
    HI Ram, for #2 - I'm actually confused if doing an LLM gives applicants the right to be on a vac scheme, something that wouldn't be possible for international students at all since nearly all firms have confirmed that they do not sponsor visas for a scheme. But here again, I've heard that the visa that LLM students are on doesn't permit them to be a part of the schemes. Could you clarify what the actual position is here? Thanks in advance.
     
    Hey guys, two questions here. Has anyone heard back from the DAC Beachcroft Vac Scheme? They said they'd get back to successful candidates by early August, but their applications were rolling so just curious if anyone has heard back yet.
    Secondly, and I know this has probably been asked to death but slightly worried about my first year grades (bit of a unique situation): I did far better than I thought I did in first year, coming near the top of my cohort and getting four Firsts out of six. However, I did get a 58 in Tort. My average is still obviously high 2:1. No mitigating circumstances, just a bad day at the office. Was wondering what the approach is now? I have really good grades that aside (all the way back to GCSEs and A-Levels) and obviously very high grades in uni other than Tort so was wondering if the move is to bother applying for the Slaughters, Jones Days of the industry? And also generally, how screwed am I for next year lol
     

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