TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

[TCLA Community Assistant]

Had a TC interview the other day. Final round post vac scheme.

For the why do you want to be a solicitor question, I think I cocked it up a bit.

I mentioned I like the skillset for the role, like collaboration and varied communication style, and the opportunity for impact amongst clients and beyond. I also brought up preferring the role compared to being a barrister.

However I feel I missed the opportunity to bring up my experiences during the vac scheme and previous intrnships. I explored these topics a lot in my application, and throughout the rest of my interview which most part I think was decent overall. I’m just disappointed I didn’t do that important question well enough - I think I was just a bit too generic and maybe a little unstructured because of the nerves.

I dunno is what I said that bad?

I know one bad/average response is not enough for a rejection, but I’m worried cause of the post TC over analysis I’m doing.

Candidates often fixate on what they believe went wrong, becoming overly critical in the process. No one, not even an experienced interviewer like me, can truly evaluate how strong your answer to this question was or how it fits into the overall context of your interview. It's tough, but try not to dwell on this answer. You can't change it, so overthinking isn't helpful.

I would wait for the outcome from the interview and then reflect on your experience at that point, and that's on the assumption that you even need to. If you receive a TC offer, you may never have to worry about that question or how you answered it again!

 

[chlawstudent]

Hello, I have a vacation scheme coming up at the end of the month at Addleshaw Goddard and as it is my first and only vac scheme I am feeling very nervous and excited. I was just wondering if anyone who has previously completed one at AG would be happy to provide any advice/tips? Also I understand they solely hire for their Training Contracts through the vac schemes so any insight into the TC conversion process would be great, thanks!

 

[Ram Sabaratnam]

Had a TC interview the other day. Final round post vac scheme.

For the why do you want to be a solicitor question, I think I cocked it up a bit.

I mentioned I like the skillset for the role, like collaboration and varied communication style, and the opportunity for impact amongst clients and beyond. I also brought up preferring the role compared to being a barrister.

However I feel I missed the opportunity to bring up my experiences during the vac scheme and previous internships. I explored these topics a lot in my application, and throughout the rest of my interview which most part I think was decent overall. I’m just disappointed I didn’t do that important question well enough - I think I was just a bit too generic and maybe a little unstructured because of the nerves.

I dunno is what I said that bad?

I know one bad/average response is not enough for a rejection, but I’m worried cause of the post TC over analysis I’m doing.

Heya @bangarangbass39

Just adding to what @Jessica Booker wisely put to you! I don’t think what you’ve described sounds bad at all, though of course, it’s hard to say anything definitive without having seen your delivery, structure, and content in full (I've also seen people have excellent content, but fail on the delivery for these sorts of questions). That said, if you highlighted skills that are genuinely distinctive of what solicitor's do and the way solicitors support clients over time, I imagine the core of your answer landed well. Sure, there may have been space to bring in insights from the vac scheme, but it sounds like you wove those experiences in throughout the rest of the interview. Try not to be too hard on yourself. Post-interview over-analysis is brutal, but it doesn’t mean your answer to this question was weak. Hope you hear back with good news soon!

 

[TCLA Community Assistant]

Just seen the gov’s plans to get rid of level 7 apprenticeship funding. I am in the final round for a solicitor level 7 apprenticeship. Does this mean it will be cut? I’m very worried and upset

The funding isn't being cut until January 2026, so if the programme is due to start in 2025, this will not be a problem.

 

[Ram Sabaratnam]

Super fortunate to have got onto a vacation scheme with a national firm after my second time applying to them! I'm nervous as it's the furthest i've got in my attempts to get a training contract and first ever vacation scheme. One of my seats during the scheme i've been assigned to is Family. I've never studied Family law in undergraduate or postgraduate and truly don't have much interest or knowledge of that area. My main interests are in property, commercial and finance. I'm worried this will stand out as a weakness while being assessed as we're only in two seats for the duration of the week.

Separately if anyone has ideas to what I could expect task wise in Family/ Comm Prop, I would be very grateful!

Hiya @TA281990

First of all, congratulations on securing the vac scheme. That’s something to be really proud of, especially after showing such persistence by applying again. Just wanted to add to the excellent advice that @3000to1shoteverytime gave earlier, I really wouldn’t worry about not having studied family law or having a particular interest in it. Vac schemes aren’t meant to test your legal knowledge in a specific area. Rather, they’re an opportunity for the firm to get a sense of how you approach work, how you engage with people, and how adaptable and curious you are. In fact, it’s actually very common for applicants to be placed in departments they're unfamiliar with. For example, I was once assigned to a product liability team, despite having little background in that area at all. What made the experience worthwhile (and helped me make a good impression) was showing genuine interest, asking thoughtful questions, and doing my best with each task I was given. Although brushing up a little on the basics of family law wouldn’t hurt, it's definitely not necessary to making a good impression. Just remember, the team isn’t expecting you to know about the area or have come into the seat with an interest in it.

When sitting in the Family team, you might be asked to carry out legal research, help with bundling, or sit in on client meetings. By contrast, for commercial Property, you could be proofreading leases, help with drafting basic documents, or even assisting with carrying out searches.

Wishing you the best of luck for your scheme! Hope it goes brilliantly

 

[Ram Sabaratnam]

Hey guys, to those who have an insight day and a final interview with Hill Dickinson could you please tell me whether your interview is taking place during the insight day or whether it is on the 18th? I am very confused so would appreciate any insight.

Hiya @johnnn821

I know of at least one person whose interview is scheduled a few days after the insight day, though I’m not sure whether anyone is interviewing on the day itself. From what I’ve gathered from speaking to previous candidates, the interview tends to happen after the insight day, since that day is really focused on giving you a better feel for the firm and the kind of work they do. If you’re unsure, I’d definitely recommend reaching out to the grad rect team to double-check what applies in your case. Best of luck, and I hope the insight day goes really well!

 

[londonlawyer]

Could anyone please advise me on how to prepare for a vacation scheme? What are some things that I can do now so that I can place myself in a strong position to convert to a TC? How different is the approach I should take in relation to the TC interview compared to the VS interview?

Thank you so much!

 

[Justin]

Hi, has anyone been invited to the LBMW vac scheme?

 

[TCLA Community Assistant]

Could anyone please advise me on how to prepare for a vacation scheme? What are some things that I can do now so that I can place myself in a strong position to convert to a TC? How different is the approach I should take in relation to the TC interview compared to the VS interview?

Thank you so much!

This threads and posts might be a useful read:

Converting your vacation scheme into a training contract - top tips in 2021

Hey all, A few people have asked about this so I thought we'd create a central thread for 2021. Anyone feel free to share your own top tips on converting a vacation scheme into a training contract. I'd recommend reading the following threads to kick us off...

www.thecorporatelawacademy.com

TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2023-24

how many firms is everyone waiting on? im waiting on 3 and then that concludes my cycle! I'm waiting on two (planning on writing one more) and got one VS (with the great help of this forum!)

www.thecorporatelawacademy.com

Generally, your conversion interview will focus more on your reflections on your vacation scheme (what you enjoyed, what was challegning, what was surprusing, how your interest in the firm has been reaffirmed or changed etc), and also how you may have generally developed as a candidate in the months since your vacation scheme interview. Be prepared to answer questions about where else you are applying and how those firms may differ to your VS firm both in terms of job opportunity and from a commercial awareness perspective.

It is less likely to be competency based as the feedback from your department is much more likely to cover the competencies they want to assess. It tends to be much more focus on career motivational questions and commercial awareness, but really tying both of those things to what you have learnt both from your scheme and also the other things you have done in recent months (e.g. how your studies are going, other vacation schemes you have done/have lined up, other recruitment processes you are involved in, new extracurriculars you are involved in).

 

[tosin4774]

Hi @Andrei Radu if I am asked what attracted me to apply for a work experience a firm. How can i go about answering it.

 

[AveragePoster]

Hi, does anyone know what the “commercial exercise” with two associates for Fried Frank actually consists of! Thanks! (For the 1st round TC interviews)

 

[londonlawyer]

This threads and posts might be a useful read:

Converting your vacation scheme into a training contract - top tips in 2021

Hey all, A few people have asked about this so I thought we'd create a central thread for 2021. Anyone feel free to share your own top tips on converting a vacation scheme into a training contract. I'd recommend reading the following threads to kick us off...

www.thecorporatelawacademy.com

TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2023-24

how many firms is everyone waiting on? im waiting on 3 and then that concludes my cycle! I'm waiting on two (planning on writing one more) and got one VS (with the great help of this forum!)

www.thecorporatelawacademy.com

Generally, your conversion interview will focus more on your reflections on your vacation scheme (what you enjoyed, what was challegning, what was surprusing, how your interest in the firm has been reaffirmed or changed etc), and also how you may have generally developed as a candidate in the months since your vacation scheme interview. Be prepared to answer questions about where else you are applying and how those firms may differ to your VS firm both in terms of job opportunity and from a commercial awareness perspective.

It is less likely to be competency based as the feedback from your department is much more likely to cover the competencies they want to assess. It tends to be much more focus on career motivational questions and commercial awareness, but really tying both of those things to what you have learnt both from your scheme and also the other things you have done in recent months (e.g. how your studies are going, other vacation schemes you have done/have lined up, other recruitment processes you are involved in, new extracurriculars you are involved in).

Thank you so much @Jessica Booker !

 

[Logan1101]

If u have got to interview, you already tick all their boxes

Then why not offer all interviewees training contracts then? It's a broken and unfair recruitment process. I will keep saying this no matter what. Many people are overlooked or discriminated against and 'fairness' doesn't really exist.

 

[sarahlawconvert]

Has anyone heard back from the AS AstraZeneca Work Experience?

Has anyone heard back re the AstraZeneca Aspiring Solicitors group interview?

 

[Andrei Radu]

Hi @Andrei Radu if I am asked what attracted me to apply for a work experience a firm. How can i go about answering it.

Hi @tosin4774 I think the answer will for the most part be quite similar to a 'Why the firm' answer, but you should focus particularly on the specific work/other opportunities available under this placement. In essence, I think you have to do two things:

1. Explain why the particular work the firm offers exposure to via the placement is one that is of interest to you. To demonstrate this interest, you should illustrate your point by linking it to a relevant past academic/extracurricular/work experience. Word-count permitting, you should also include 1-2 sentences to explain what you hope to get out of the placement at the end of the day.
2. Explain why you are particularly attracted to the firm itself: here, the analysis will be the same as for a usual 'Why the firm' answer. By the end, it should be clear why you would prefer to go on this placement rather than a similar placement offered by a rival firm.

It is not necessary to address these two aspects in two separate paragraphs or sections. However, for a great response here, I think both of these points should be included in your answer.

 

[Chris Brown]

Then why not offer all interviewees training contracts then? It's a broken and unfair recruitment process. I will keep saying this no matter what. Many people are overlooked or discriminated against and 'fairness' doesn't really exist.

Some firms receive close to 5,000 applications each recruitment cycle. They have to draw the line somewhere to get the numbers down and make TC offers. It’s impossible for a firm to do this without ‘discriminating’ against someone. I think firms try to mitigate this with contextual recruitment and offering reasonable adjustments to candidates at each stage. 🙂

Firms generally interview the top 5-10% of the applicant pool each cycle. People who make it to interview have demonstrated potential, but it is up to the partners who assess them whether to offer a VS or TC. That assessment isn’t just based on vibes, but objective criteria. To some extent, there is subjectivity, but that does not amount to people being entirely overlooked. 🤷🏾‍♂️

The only way a firm could offer all interviewees a TC is by alienating and excluding thousands of candidates at the first stage, inviting the top 1% to interview (50/5,000). The other 4,950 candidates who got rejected could then all argue they were discriminated against or overlooked due to unfair processes. Ultimately, it’s a very difficult and competitive process for everyone. 🥲​

 

[Gr33n]

Stephenson Harwood summer 2 VS offer!

 

[Andrei Radu]

Could anyone please advise me on how to prepare for a vacation scheme? What are some things that I can do now so that I can place myself in a strong position to convert to a TC? How different is the approach I should take in relation to the TC interview compared to the VS interview?

Thank you so much!

I do not have much to add to the great response from @Jessica Booker - on the point about VS advice, I just thought to quote a post in which I collated some of the tips that proved most useful to me when I was doing VSs. On the point about TC interviews, to add a small caveat to Jess' points: there are a couple of firms that are known to treat the TC interview as isolated from prior ACs. In my case, when interviewing for a TC at the end of the Slaughter and May VS, I was asked many questions and follow-ups on my motivations for commercial law, my motivations for the firm, and my general skills and competencies. However, we were notified of this well beforehand, and I expect this will be the same at any firm that deviates from the more common 'reflective' style of final TC interview. Regardless, you can simply ask the graduate recruitment team about the style and format of the final interview during the scheme itself. If your firm is among the minority who has an AC-style interview, I think your preparation should be mostly the same. The only thing to keep in mind is that since this is further down the recruitment process, you may face more scrutiny and pushback on your reasoning. Thus, when preparing, you should be even more self-critical and continuously try to identify weak points in your answers.

Hi @ACivilLawyer and congratulations on getting the VS, it is a huge achievement! I have collated bellow some of my best tips on maximizing conversion chances.

Firstly, consider doing the following in the preparation period before the vacation scheme starts:

1. Review you firm research and answers for motivational questions: in many of the conversations you will be having with people at the firm, and in particular with the more senior practitioners, you will likely be asked some questions around your interest in the firm and your general motivations and journey. While they will not be assessed like formal interviews, it is important to impress, or at the very least not to make a bad impression. Also, this will be a good opportunity to see if you can update and add any insights to your answers (ie you might mention a deal or award that the firm recently got) which will distinguish you from others.
2. Brush up on your commercial awareness: while the specific way commercial awareness matters for the purposes of conversion tends to differ on a firm by firm basis, it is almost always an important factor. As such, in the coming weeks before the VS I would pay extra close attention to business news and see if there are any updates I should be aware about on important topics (inflation and monetary figures, economic growth, capital markets and dealmaking activity, etc). At the same time, try to fill any gaps in your general knowledge of how businesses work, the different economic sectors, and the roles and functions of the different actors and instruments in the world of finance and investing. I highly recommend Investopedia to build up your knowledge of business jargon.
3. Research the practice areas you will sit in: once you find out what your seats will be, take some time to understand what it is exactly lawyers in those practices do - why do clients need their services, and how do those services differ from those offered by other practice areas? Furthermore, try to get an understanding as to how delivering those services works in practice: what are the different workstreams and tasks involved on typical client matters, and which of those are trainees/vacation schemers most likely to work on? For this, I highly recommend the Westlaw/Practical Law Introductory Practice Area Guides; they go in a lot more detail than you will be expected to know but are the most comprehensive resource I know of.
4. Reach out and build rapport with people at the firm: It is always a good idea to try to build rapport early with people at the firm. As such, you could consider sending a LinkedIn text/email asking for advice or a chat with a trainee at the firm, particularly if you have met them in the past. I would also target people who are currently doing a seat in the practice area you have been allocated, as they will be able to give you the best advice on preparation. Building rapport with them is also particularly important, as graduate recruitment tends to emphasize the reviews of people in your seat when collating input for a TC offer decision. However, avoid appearing overeager and annoying people with busy schedules. Be very straightforward about your intentions and show your appreciation for the time they decide to give to you.

As for what to do during the vacation scheme itself, I advise the following:

• Be confident: while it sounds very cliche, I think this is a key factor impacting conversion chances. Having gotten to this stage out of a huge pool of applicants, you should be certain of the fact that you are an exceptional candidate and have everything you need to succeed. However, I have seen many people simply get too intimidated by the context of a prestigious commercial law firm, which disabled them from showing their skills, knowledge, and personality. Aim not to do that: be active, ask many questions, and communicate your thoughts and views, even if you are not 100% sure they are completely accurate.
• Be proactive and do your tasks well: an important trait firms look for in candidates is enthusiasm and initiative, so you definitely try to show that. One of the best ways of doing it is not waiting to be given work, but proactively going around and asking for it. When receiving a piece of work, I advise you to ask for detailed instruction, useful resources, supporting or guiding materials (such as similar work products completed by others in the past), and details as to deadlines and the expected time this should take to complete. At the end, it is always good to ask for feedback and then to try to act upon it on further tasks.
• Find out what are the most important assessment criteria for conversion (particularly by speaking with grad rec or current trainees): Different firms have different policies - for instance, in my case conversion at Slaughter and May was 100% determined by the final TC interview and written task, at Willkie it was mostly determined by the quality of your work and your integration in the firm's culture, at Milbank it was a combination of the final assessment and the impression you left on people on your team. To maximize conversion chances, you should modify your approach to match the factors emphasized by each firm.
• Take notes and be reflective: as you go through the vacation scheme, at the end of each day, write down a short summary of what you did: who did you meet and what did you learn from them, what tasks did you work on, what sessions did you attend etc. Firstly, this will help you in better answering some of the common questions you get when interacting with people at the firm ('How are you finding the experience?' etc. Secondly, as you approach the final interview, this will help you with being reflecting about the experience and showing that you have taken all the opportunities the firm offered.
• Meet as many people as possible, particularly in your department, but do not overdo it. Of course, it is great to integrate yourself as much as you can and to make as many people as possible notice you. However, you should not be spending every second of the day inviting people for coffee chats. Firstly, there are many other things you should be doing, like getting involved in different workstreams, attending sessions, and deepening your relationship with people you have already met, such as your supervisor. Secondly, as you will know, lawyers are often very stressed and have very little free time on their hands. Most will accept coffee chat requests, but they will appreciate if you do not waste their time by asking to meet only with a view of getting them to potentially put in a good word for you. Thus, I would advise you to always have a genuine reason for meeting someone. That does not need to necessarily be work-related - you can simply ask for a coffee chat because you want to introduce yourself and get to know people in the firm - but you should be upfront about it. Furthermore, try to get an idea from your supervisor as to who is more and less busy at the moment and avoid targeting the former.
• Mirror the attitude of those around you, and know when to be more relaxed: a crucial element of succeeding in many vacation schemes is to be able to build rapport with a few important people - particularly your supervisor, one or two lawyers you will get to work more with, and the recruitment partners. Try to read the attitude and expectations of those people and do not always attempt to impress them. In my experience, the people who ended up not converting tended to be the slightly overbearing ones who wanted to be constantly seen. Sometimes, such as at an event over drinks or at a lunch, people will want to simply relax a bit and forget about work. Other times, they may be too busy and stressed to want to engage with you about something serious. They could and also many times do want to take a slightly more lighthearted approach when talking about their work, so try not to seem like you are taking yourself too seriously. From what I have seen, people more often fail in adapting to these circumstances rather that when adapting to more formal dynamics.

 

[Logan1101]

Some firms receive close to 5,000 applications each recruitment cycle. They have to draw the line somewhere to get the numbers down and make TC offers. It’s impossible for a firm to do this without ‘discriminating’ against someone. I think firms try to mitigate this with contextual recruitment and giving reasonable adjustments to candidates at each stage. 🙂

Firms generally interview the top 5-10% of the applicant pool each cycle. People who make it to interview have demonstrated potential, but it is up to the partners who assess them whether to offer a VS or TC. That assessment isn’t just based on vibes, but objective criteria. To some extent, there is subjectivity, but that does not amount to people being entirely overlooked. 🤷🏾‍♂️

The only way a firm could offer all interviewees a TC is by alienating and excluding thousands of candidates at the first stage, inviting the top 1% to interview (50/5,000). The other 4,950 candidates who got rejected could then all argue they were discriminated against or overlooked due to unfair processes. Ultimately, it’s a very difficult and competitive process for everyone. 🥲​

The thing is you're already in the top 1% in an AC, but believe it or not, the acceptance rate at the assessment centre stage is as low as 20%-30%. That means you can make it through all these stages and still be more likely than not to be rejected. I honestly think partners are part of the problem, I don't buy this whole 'objective' criteria nonsense; it's a highly biased and discriminatory process when you make it to an interview with partners or associates.

Law firms are terrible recruiters in my opinion, but it's a symptom of the neoliberal world we live in.

 

[londonlawyer]

I do not have much to add to the great response from @Jessica Booker - on the point about VS advice, I just thought to quote a post in which I collated some of the tips that proved most useful to me when I was doing VSs. On the point about TC interviews, to add a small caveat to Jess' points: there are a couple of firms that are known to treat the TC interview as isolated from prior ACs. In my case, when interviewing for a TC at the end of the Slaughter and May VS, I was asked many questions and follow-ups on my motivations for commercial law, my motivations for the firm, and my general skills and competencies. However, we were notified of this well beforehand, and I expect this will be the same at any firm that deviates from the more common 'reflective' style of final TC interview. Regardless, you can simply ask the graduate recruitment team about the style and format of the final interview during the scheme itself. If your firm is among the minority who has an AC-style interview, I think your preparation should be mostly the same. The only thing to keep in mind is that since this is further down the recruitment process, you may face more scrutiny and pushback on your reasoning. Thus, when preparing, you should be even more self-critical and continuously try to identify weak points in your answers.

Thank you so much @Andrei Radu !