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I’d probably put both of them as interests rather than extra curriculars. Extra curriculars to me is something that you have to commit to that makes a different to others. So if you are organising the book club, that could be something to include.
Thank you, this is very useful. I have also signed up to be a volunteer tutor but I haven't received a placement yet. Could I include that in an application question on extracurriculars?
 

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Thank you, this is very useful. I have also signed up to be a volunteer tutor but I haven't received a placement yet. Could I include that in an application question on extracurriculars?
Yes, you can include it, you’ll just not really be able to add much detail if it’s something you haven’t started yet.
 
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Hi @Jessica Booker,

I hope this message finds you well.

I want to apply to A&O but am undecided at the moment on whether to apply to the summer VS or direct TC. At a recent grad rec Q&A on the londonyounglawyersgroup, Hannah Rolph, head of grad rec for london opportunities, said: 'every firm is different in terms of the volume of applications they receive for different programmes. My advice is always speak to the grad rec team and see if they have a preference over what you apply to based on your experience to date'. I will send the A&O grad rec team an email, but also wanted to get your perspective.

I am a final year LLB student with prior legal experience (formal schemes and informal) and non-legal experience. However, I haven't really interacted with the firm (much) and so I am worried if I apply via the direct TC route. What do you think? Lastly, please do let me know if you want me to provide further info about me or my experience to get a better understanding of my current position?

EDIT: my only motivation to apply via the direct TC route is simply a more streamlined/quicker process.
I’d just wait for the response back from A&O to see what they say.

Apart from that, use your judgement based on how much you’d want to do a VS with the firm (eg, if you got a TC offer would you need some form of reassurance they are the right firm for you that you might get from doing a VS).
 
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Hi @Jessica Booker , I hope you're well! I am a final year law student and am planning on applying for A&O's direct TC. I was unsuccessful for their A&O First Scheme and was rejected from their 2021 summer VS post-AC, but secured other VSs and a TC this year.

My question is whether it is worth applying to A&O again? I really like the firm but I am afraid that they will immediately/highly likely to reject me as I already did an AC.(my first ever AC) with them.

If I do apply, should I disclose that I did an AC with them, or should I just mention that I was unsuccessful for their Summer VS.
 

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Hi @Jessica Booker , I hope you're well! I am a final year law student and am planning on applying for A&O's direct TC. I was unsuccessful for their A&O First Scheme and was rejected from their 2021 summer VS post-AC, but secured other VSs and a TC this year.

My question is whether it is worth applying to A&O again? I really like the firm but I am afraid that they will immediately/highly likely to reject me as I already did an AC.(my first ever AC) with them.

If I do apply, should I disclose that I did an AC with them, or should I just mention that I was unsuccessful for their Summer VS.
Did you get feedback on your AC? If so, do you feel you have evidence that shows you have worked on that feedback?
 

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Hello @Jessica Booker !

I was unsuccessful for a firm's summer VS (after an interview) back in March. In the rejection email, they mentioned that I should let them know if I want to get feedback. I emailed them straightaway - no response. I emailed them a few months after knowing they have completed all the summer vac schemes - they said they would be very happy to provide me with feedback and asked about my availability, so I responded (end of July). They have not got back to me until now, although I emailed them two more times. Should I keep trying, or just give up?

It was my first big law interview and I would really love to receive feedback on what I did well, and what I should work on. Especially now, at the beginning of the new recruitment cycle.

Thank you!
 

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Hello @Jessica Booker !

I was unsuccessful for a firm's summer VS (after an interview) back in March. In the rejection email, they mentioned that I should let them know if I want to get feedback. I emailed them straightaway - no response. I emailed them a few months after knowing they have completed all the summer vac schemes - they said they would be very happy to provide me with feedback and asked about my availability, so I responded (end of July). They have not got back to me until now, although I emailed them two more times. Should I keep trying, or just give up?

It was my first big law interview and I would really love to receive feedback on what I did well, and what I should work on. Especially now, at the beginning of the new recruitment cycle.

Thank you!
I’d try again.
 
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Hi @Jessica Booker,

Could you advise me on how recent extra-curriculars/work experience that I mention on a personal statement/application for vacation schemes should be? I wanted to speak about a project I undertook in 6th form, however, this is now nearly 3 years ago and I feel may no longer be relevant?

Thank you :)
 

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Hi @Jessica Booker,

Could you advise me on how recent extra-curriculars/work experience that I mention on a personal statement/application for vacation schemes should be? I wanted to speak about a project I undertook in 6th form, however, this is now nearly 3 years ago and I feel may no longer be relevant?

Thank you :)
No time limit on work experience or extra curriculars. Just include what you feel is appropriate/relevant.
 

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Hi @Jessica Booker

I hope this message finds you well.

(1) How should I approach the following question: 'Please give details of any interests and extra-curricular activities, including any positions of responsibility or achievements'? I understand that I would need to talk about what I did in a specific role, but do I need to talk about the skills I learnt/developed? Just feels very robotic to be very descriptive, so I was wondering how I can make my answer more lively.

(2) When do firms interview candidates for winter schemes? Of course it differs but would appreciate a rough idea - have never applied to a winter scheme before.

Thank you.
 
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Hi @Jessica Booker

I hope this message finds you well.

(1) How should I approach the following question: 'Please give details of any interests and extra-curricular activities, including any positions of responsibility or achievements'? I understand that I would need to talk about what I did in a specific role, but do I need to talk about the skills I learnt/developed? Just feels very robotic to be very descriptive, so I was wondering how I can make my answer more lively.

(2) When do firms interview candidates for winter schemes? Of course it differs but would appreciate a rough idea - have never applied to a winter scheme before.

Thank you.
It’s not necessary to talk about the skills developed for a question like that - I’d personally focus on your impact in those activities.

Most likely late October to late November.
 
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Hi, I recently made a vacation scheme application. The firm asked for a big academic breakdown of everything I've done at uni, including individual yearly average %s and my final degree % + classification.

However, my university did not provide me with a final degree % so I had to calculate this myself. This is because my uni had massive delays in sending out our paper certificates + transcripts. My uni also doesn't explain how to calculate my final degree average, only my classification (ie what counts as a 2:2, a 2:1 etc). Intuitively, I calculated it myself by taking my average in penultimate year (66, rounded up from 65.6) and my average in final year (65, rounded up from 64.8). Then, I calculated the average (65.5) and rounded this up to 66. My uni is generally quite liberal with rounding up, especially when it comes to individual module marks, so I thought I should round up 65.5 to 66. Note my credits in year 2 and 3 are the same value, 120 credits per year.

However, I received my transcript today and the uni have calculated my average slightly differently - my final degree mark is now listed as 65%, not 66%. I am worried about this discrepancy and the issues it might cause. When would be the best time to tell the firm about my mistake, and that my average is actually 65 (not 66)?

Note I've just applied and haven't heard back yet- the firm's process is application > VI > AC > vac scheme offer.

There are no other discrepancies. My degree classification (2.1), module grades, names, dates, yearly averages etc are accurate. I just miscalculated my overall mark.

Many thanks for any advice you can provide.
 

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Hi, I recently made a vacation scheme application. The firm asked for a big academic breakdown of everything I've done at uni, including individual yearly average %s and my final degree % + classification.

However, my university did not provide me with a final degree % so I had to calculate this myself. This is because my uni had massive delays in sending out our paper certificates + transcripts. My uni also doesn't explain how to calculate my final degree average, only my classification (ie what counts as a 2:2, a 2:1 etc). Intuitively, I calculated it myself by taking my average in penultimate year (66, rounded up from 65.6) and my average in final year (65, rounded up from 64.8). Then, I calculated the average (65.5) and rounded this up to 66. My uni is generally quite liberal with rounding up, especially when it comes to individual module marks, so I thought I should round up 65.5 to 66. Note my credits in year 2 and 3 are the same value, 120 credits per year.

However, I received my transcript today and the uni have calculated my average slightly differently - my final degree mark is now listed as 65%, not 66%. I am worried about this discrepancy and the issues it might cause. When would be the best time to tell the firm about my mistake, and that my average is actually 65 (not 66)?

Note I've just applied and haven't heard back yet- the firm's process is application > VI > AC > vac scheme offer.

There are no other discrepancies. My degree classification (2.1), module grades, names, dates, yearly averages etc are accurate. I just miscalculated my overall mark.

Many thanks for any advice you can provide.
This is all explainable - so nothing to worry about. I’d highlight it if you get to an interview stage where you have to meet someone for an assessment, and mention it ahead of the interview/AC.
 
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Hi @Jessica Booker, when I am asked to 'outline how I would do xyz' in an interview - would it be appropriate to use the STAR structure? Thank you
No - STAR is only appropriate for competency questions (questions that start with something like “tell me about a time you”), so it wouldn’t be appropriate for a forward looking question.
 
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