TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

Amma Usman

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Hi, does anyone know if RPC is fine with using point form in the Work Experience section? The word limit is only 150 words.

Also, did anyone ask if we could put extracurricular activities/positions of responsibility in this section too?
A mix of bullet points and prose is always recommended. Though, given the word limit constraint, I understand your carefulness around this. I would personally aim for around 2-4 bullet points (depending on how detailed you really want to be) accurately explained. You don’t need to link it to the firm at this point, but it’ll be good to weave in any skills acquired. Though, please don’t stress about it too much for now as the other application questions/cover letters will provide way more scope to go into that in more detail anyway.

Let me give you one example of a bullet point below:

- Interned within the in-house legal team of an investment bank. I was responsible for compiling a detailed list of matters for consideration in the next AI report to be disseminated across global fronts. In addition, typical daily tasks included document review, and recording minute meetings. Feedback from my manager on my ability to manage multiple commitments easily and simultaneously produce high-quality work, fuelled my passion to become a commercial lawyer.
 
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Do law firms have waiting lists for training contract offers? Especially if you’ve been rejected after completing a vac scheme and a TC interview with them?

Hi @bangarangbass39

Yep, many firms do have waiting lists for training contracts. The size of the list tends to vary based on the size of the intake. From what I've understood, these lists are usually made up of strong candidates who just narrowly missed out on an offer and are kept in reserve in case places become available. That said, if a firm has already sent a rejection after a vacation scheme and final interview, it unfortunately means the candidate wasn’t placed on the waiting list. In those cases, it's not a matter of waiting to hear back, because the rejection is a final decision during that cycle.
 

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Hello, I start my vac scheme tomorrow. What questions should I ask trainees? And can someone pls give me a prompt on how to introduce myself and ask what do you do here haha. Also I want to talk to people in the corporate and intellectual property teams. What questions should I ask them which sounds insightful? Am I allowed to ask them about deals?

Hiya @Kakaboo

I'm sure @Amma Usman would also have more to add here, but wanted to get something to you in the meantime :)

I'd say don't overthink your intro. You can send an email and say something alone the lines of: “Hi, I’m [Name], I’m here on the vacation scheme this week. I'd be really grateful to schedule a chat to discuss [your work in X team/your experiences at the firm]." That said, I'd say try to arrange coffee chats with people you genuinely want to speak with; I really believe those are the conversations that will seem more organic and where your enthusiasm can really shine through.

It’s also completely fine to ask about corporate/IP matters. Just make sure to do some research before each of your coffee chats. It's very easy to tell when candidates are simply scheduling coffee chats for the sake of it, instead of doing so because they are genuinely interested in engaging with the person on the other side. Even having a quick look at the person’s LinkedIn profile and the firm’s corporate/IP page of the website can help you ask genuinely interesting questions. To start off those conversations, you can ask/say something like:
  • “What kind of matters are keeping the team busy right now?”
  • “What does a typical day look like for you in corporate/IP?”
  • “What sorts of clients or industries do you mostly work with? Do you find the corporate team is more sector-agnostic in the work it carries out?”
  • “Is there a recent deal or case the team’s worked on that stood out to you?”
Without knowing which firm you're completing the scheme at, it's a bit difficult to give you more precise questions to suggest.

With respect to trainees, you'll want to try to get a sense of their professional development, training, and involvement at the firm. Some useful questions to put to them might include:
  • What was it like when you actually began at the firm? How did you find the transition?
  • How did you end in at your practice area? Where would you have gone if you hadn't ended up here?
  • Is there any scope to contribute ideas to the firm as a trainee?
  • How is it ensured that trainees on client secondments get the same standard of training?
  • How would you describe X firm’s place in the market?
  • How has the firm invested in your personal training/development?
  • How many of you tend to work on a deal?
  • Do you find the culture non-hierarchical? Open door policy?
  • What do you wish you’d known about being a trainee before you started that you now do?
Hope this helps get the ball rolling on your coffee chat prep. Best of luck with the vac scheme!
 
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What are peoples thoughts on moving from a paralegal role at a low level national firm to a legal secretary/PA role at a large law firm?
Stay doing the paralegal work. It may end up being qualifying work experience if you end up having to self fund.

Even if you don't have to self fund because you get a traditional TC it is better experience to take into the tasks you may be asked to perform as either a written test or during a vacation scheme.
 
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guys I need some help on the education part of Perkins Coie's application. I can only find my university but cannot find my secondary school/sixth form -- where am I supposed to list my grades? Am I supposed to write them out in the GPA box??
My school isn't on there either but it is on my CV so I am hoping they might see it there? I'm not really sure what else to do atp
 
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Amma Usman

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Thanks for the thoughts - there's no commute per se, as it's online (although realistically I wouldn't feel comfortable doing an interview for a different firm from the firm's office, so I'd need to find a location elsewhere, which would probably add around 15 minutes to my downtime).

As I understand it the 90 minutes is comprised of a 45-minute interview and an assessment: it's not clear whether the assessment can be done separately; I've emailed to ask, but I suspect not - a 45-minute interview seems more doable, but 90 minutes seems excessive.

Ah yes, I believe you are right in suggesting that it may not be within seperate timeframes. As the firm has mentioned 90 minutes, there will likely be a different component included - probably more information to come from the firm on this, though it’s worth clarifying if you have any doubts. In any case, however, I’d still reference my old post in saying that it is still risky and clear communication with all parties is still needed if you do decide to attend the AC with the firm that isn’t your VS firm.

I hope this helps, and please do let us know if you have any more questions at all.
 
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What are peoples thoughts on moving from a paralegal role at a low level national firm to a legal secretary/PA role at a large law firm?

There’s a lot of mobility in the legal sector, especially with skilled roles such as these. As an example, any paralegal experience is valuable, such that you could move from a paralegal role at national firms to even other paralegal roles at bigger international firms. I have seen many people succeed in doing so. I also know of people that move between practice areas for paralegal roles, for example. Therefore, there is not only firm-wise mobility, but also sector-related mobility.
 

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Hello, I have recently found out my supervisors for my upcoming vac scheme. I have sent requests to connect on LinkedIn and I was just wondering what the best format/structure is to send a message ahead of the scheme to introduce myself? Thanks in advance!
 

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Ah yes, I believe you are right in suggesting that it may not be within seperate timeframes. As the firm has mentioned 90 minutes, there will likely be a different component included - probably more information to come from the firm on this, though it’s worth clarifying if you have any doubts. In any case, however, I’d still reference my old post in saying that it is still risky and clear communication with all parties is still needed if you do decide to attend the AC with the firm that isn’t your VS firm.

I hope this helps, and please do let us know if you have any more questions at all.

They've come back to me today saying that I only need 45 minutes as I can complete the other part the following week - they have offered me 12 or 3pm, neither of which feel exactly ideal - if it was a bit after 12 that would be one thing as it's lunch time, but rushing off at 11:45am would likely raise an eyebrow.
 

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    A mix of bullet points and prose is always recommended. Though, given the word limit constraint, I understand your carefulness around this. I would personally aim for around 2-4 bullet points (depending on how detailed you really want to be) accurately explained. You don’t need to link it to the firm at this point, but it’ll be good to weave in any skills acquired. Though, please don’t stress about it too much for now as the other application questions/cover letters will provide way more scope to go into that in more detail anyway.

    Let me give you one example of a bullet point below:

    - Interned within the in-house legal team of an investment bank. I was responsible for compiling a detailed list of matters for consideration in the next AI report to be disseminated across global fronts. In addition, typical daily tasks included document review, and recording minute meetings. Feedback from my manager on my ability to manage multiple commitments easily and simultaneously produce high-quality work, fuelled my passion to become a commercial lawyer.
    Thanks Amma, that helps!
     
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