Hey @Jessica Booker , I was sent a form to be filled up before an interview. There is a work experience section which says "list any employment.... after university". Does this mean that I do not include any internship/summer schemes? I am wondering if it is because its a generic form that is sent to all applicants (including those that aren't applying for graduate schemes), not tailored from students and therefore I should be including summer schemes/internships instead. Thanks!
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what’s the full question? Only seeing part of it means it is difficult to advise on this.
Hey Jessica, it says "please list any professional positions that you have held at other companies (such as law or consulting firms, financial institutions, etc.) after university.".
Question regarding the White & Case deadline. By 15th Jan, is that to be interpreted as the end of Thursday at 11:59pm, or the end Friday 11:59pm?
Considering they review applications on a rolling basis, I fully appreciate that applying this late is far from ideal. I also understand that applying by the end of Thursday is the safer option. However, if there is an extra day, I feel I could significantly improve the quality of my app.
Considering they review applications on a rolling basis, I fully appreciate that applying this late is far from ideal. I also understand that applying by the end of Thursday is the safer option. However, if there is an extra day, I feel I could significantly improve the quality of my app.
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Thank you very much for all your advice!
Just wanted to ask, if a training contract deadline is written as "deadline 15th January 2021", does that mean that it is still okay to submit on 15th January 2021 itself, till 2359?
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Thank you very much for all your advice!
Just wanted to ask, if a training contract deadline is written as "deadline 15th January 2021", does that mean that it is still okay to submit on 15th January 2021 itself, till 2359?
Thank you!
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This comes up EVERY deadline.
There is NO logic in the deadline being 11.59pm the night before the deadline stated. A deadline always includes the day it mentions.
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Hi @Jessica Booker
Thank you very much for all your advice!
Just wanted to ask, if a training contract deadline is written as "deadline 15th January 2021", does that mean that it is still okay to submit on 15th January 2021 itself, till 2359?
Thank you!
See the post below yours....
I cannot guarantee a deadline will be 23.59 but a deadline will always include the date stated, never the day before.
@Jessica Booker Hi, sorry if this has been answered before, when referring to a law firm, so for example, saying "I am interested in working with X as..", is it grammatically correct to say "as it is" or "as they are"? Thank you! 
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I just received a TC rejection after my winter vac scheme. I really enjoyed the vac scheme and was convinced it was the right firm for me so the rejection has hit me really really hard. The TC interview process in general took a massive toll on me because I found it so hard to balance my uni work and deadlines with preparing for the interview and ending up overworking and over stressing myself and tanking on the actual interview day. I'm in my final year and feel like this was my last opportunity to get a training contract before I graduate as I've missed all the vac scheme deadlines for other firms now.
I'm getting my head around the fact that I'm going to have to apply for straight TC's. I've seen firms like White & Case and Hogan Lovells have TC deadlines in summer like July time. I don't know whether I should be applying to these now, or waiting until after I graduate when I have my degree results and then applying in the summer. The pros of this would be that I could focus on getting the best possible results and not having to worry about the application process, but the risk is that they will have already made all of the their TC offers.
Any advice on the TC application process & how to cope with rejection (lol) would be great thank you.
I just received a TC rejection after my winter vac scheme. I really enjoyed the vac scheme and was convinced it was the right firm for me so the rejection has hit me really really hard. The TC interview process in general took a massive toll on me because I found it so hard to balance my uni work and deadlines with preparing for the interview and ending up overworking and over stressing myself and tanking on the actual interview day. I'm in my final year and feel like this was my last opportunity to get a training contract before I graduate as I've missed all the vac scheme deadlines for other firms now.
I'm getting my head around the fact that I'm going to have to apply for straight TC's. I've seen firms like White & Case and Hogan Lovells have TC deadlines in summer like July time. I don't know whether I should be applying to these now, or waiting until after I graduate when I have my degree results and then applying in the summer. The pros of this would be that I could focus on getting the best possible results and not having to worry about the application process, but the risk is that they will have already made all of the their TC offers.
Any advice on the TC application process & how to cope with rejection (lol) would be great thank you.
Look at what you've written - you are making an active choice to take a year out, it's the opposite of not being proactive! (Hope you can follow the double negative...) And you know what? Even if you end up doing a non-law job, that will be incredibly valuable world experience. The job market, in general, is going to be pretty ropey but with a good degree behind you and a sense of adventure, you should get something. You will probably be a better lawyer as a result - wiser, clearer about how you can make a difference in the right firm for you. Far from being the passive option, this shows real commitment.
You can make applications next year. You can't redo your finals.
And those other people with all those TCs? They won't get the chance to pop their heads over the parapet and look at the world. A minority will find, further down the line, that they wish that they had taken that chance when it was there.
Be your own best friend here. Get the main project out of the way.
Firstly, I'm so sorry to hear that it didn't work out. But good for you for asking for support, and learning that way too.
Not sure if you have premium access to TCLA but the overriding view is that it all works out in the end. There was a seminar given with Paul Gascoyne, Shearman & Sterling grad recruitment, where he and the TCLA core team address some of the practicalities. And painful as it is, the feedback from your VS will be well worth hearing. If they don't want you, it's their loss, but lucky you to have had that experience.
It's always unpleasant. But lawyers have to deal with rejection all the time. And see the conversation above about taking a year out. You can reapply, but you can't redo your Finals.
Good luck.
Hi everyone!
Would love to hear what's everyone's pre-AC routine. What do you do the day before, night before and on the actual day itself? Any last minute routine that helped calm your nerves? Any foods that you particularly find would help with stress?
Thank you!!
Would love to hear what's everyone's pre-AC routine. What do you do the day before, night before and on the actual day itself? Any last minute routine that helped calm your nerves? Any foods that you particularly find would help with stress?
Thank you!!
Would make a good thread I think ?!Hi everyone!
Would love to hear what's everyone's pre-AC routine. What do you do the day before, night before and on the actual day itself? Any last minute routine that helped calm your nerves? Any foods that you particularly find would help with stress?
Thank you!!
Great idea!! Have started the thread here; https://www.thecorporatelawacademy.com/forum/threads/pre-interview-nerves-stress-routines.3208/
Allen & Overy Middle East said "Due by the first of January" and it closed at the time the year ended, so you couldn't have worked at it on the 1st. But generally from what I've seen I would agree with you
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I would have got it in before then anyway where the 1st wouldn’t have been a working day (as it was a Friday) in Dubai. My advice is always apply before the last working hour ahead of the deadline.
Hi,
I've been exactly where you are right now and my heart really really goes out to you. I've always thought that the post VS rejection is the one that stings the most because it feels like you were so so close. It's a terrible feeling and I really hope you take time away from apps for awhile to recover from the rejection.
You definitely have not missed your last opportunity to get a TC just because you've graduated. There are so many people on this forum that are still applying/have secured TC offers despite having graduated years ago. It can be tough to see people who get TC offers in their second (and even first) year of uni and not compare yourself but I promise you, you are absolutely not behind anyone. It is never ever too late to go after something that you really want.
In terms of when to apply for direct TCs, there really is no rush to apply. If you feel like the summer cycle would be more manageable for yourself since you'd be done with university then you should definitely go through with that. It's hard to just keep going without a break and there's no harm in wanting to take time out to focus on university. Yes, there are quite a few firms that tend to disregard TC apps completely if they've recruited from the VS (mostly US firms actually) but there are still lots of other firms that still recruit from TC apps as well. The other thing to bear in mind is that again besides US firms, I don't think any firm actually has a fixed ratio of VS:TC applicants. It really depends on which pool of applicants are stronger and bear in mind that some people who do get made TC offers want later start dates, earlier start dates etc, so the chances of firms looking at direct TC apps to fill spaces for an intake still exists. The fact that you have already done a VS will only make your applications stronger and I really do think you stand a strong chance regardless.
On dealing with rejection, I really really hate to sound like a broken record especially because I've said this so many times on the forum now but I really believe that if you have made it onto a VS you are 100% TC material. You have everything that it takes and more to make it through the most competitive parts of the process and you should be so proud of yourself. The other thing that helped me deal with my own post VS rejection is the realisation that sometimes converting a VS has very little to do with things that were in your control. You could have been the most amazing candidate that produced flawless work but maybe the partners interviewing just didn't think you'd be a good fit. And as hard as that pill is to swallow, it just means that there's a better firm out there for you.
So so many people, myself included have been rejected post VS and gone on to secure TC offers from firms. You're not alone with where you're at right now, and I'm confident your TC offer is on its way.
Hi Everyone,
Looking for some advice on my White and Case app (I’m aware it’s v late to be looking for advice, but I only became aware of TCLA recently).
Under the section “please provide details of any careers events you have attended” how are people doing this part? Are you choosing a few and elaborating on them or just bullet pointing them?
Looking for some advice on my White and Case app (I’m aware it’s v late to be looking for advice, but I only became aware of TCLA recently).
Under the section “please provide details of any careers events you have attended” how are people doing this part? Are you choosing a few and elaborating on them or just bullet pointing them?
Hi Bethany - I would make sure to include as many of the events that you attended as possible. You may be able to group them e.g. I have attended open days with... For my successful app last year I wrote in full prose as opposed to bullet points, but I kept it very factual with a brief sentence explaining what each one was if necessary (e.g. a particular event's focus). I also including some of the virtual internships that I had done on insideSherpa (now Forage) - I know that this is not specifically a careers event.
The most helpful website I found was https://www.consultancy.uk/ but I appreciate that isn’t like TCLA at all!
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