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That would be so helpful I think! a Q&A video or thread I mean
Excellent! Thank you for feeding back so soon! Yeah I felt a Q&A might honestly be the best approach and maybe in time I can do a bit of video content with Jaysen or something on our social media to speak in real-time about my journey more generally! Keep letting me know though guys if you agree with this approach or have any other suggestions! :)
 
Q&A would be good but maybe a little write up too about your journey. Now that most of us have received responses, I know that some of us are feeling some type of way. Would be good to see how you bounced back! And a video with Jaysen would be so amazing!

Congratulations again and I hope you celebrated before all this madness!
 
Q&A would be good but maybe a little write up too about your journey. Now that most of us have received responses, I know that some of us are feeling some type of way. Would be good to see how you bounced back! And a video with Jaysen would be so amazing!

Congratulations again and I hope you celebrated before all this madness!
I will try and work on writing something up too :) Thank you! :)
 
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Bakers TC applicants: Are Grad Rec getting back to you guys ASAP? Not sure whether to leave it for another few days or prioritise. Wouldn't want to work on it if I'm not going to hear back for a while.
 
Hey guys!! Can anyone offer any insight into how long Jones Day took to get back to everyone after a vacation scheme interview?
Hope everyone is staying safe and thank you in advance!! X
 
Hey guys!! Can anyone offer any insight into how long Jones Day took to get back to everyone after a vacation scheme interview?
Hope everyone is staying safe and thank you in advance!! X
Hi, they got to me in about 2 weeks! but it may take longer now given the current climate - hope that helps!
 
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I just read this online from an trainee/associate who wrote about their experience at Weil: "Partners appear to have almost a sadistic desire to make associates' life as miserable as possible. An email with a huge and boring assignment sent on Friday night is not an exception, it is the rule. Frankly, if you don't get one, make sure to refresh your browser, it is definitely in your mailbox already waiting for you. Weekends? What weekends? Weekends are just the days when you can do document review from the comfort of your own couch instead of super bad office chairs. Interesting work? Fascinating cases? What a joke. For the first two years, you will be doing doc review day in and day out with no end in sight. Culture? Culture is toxic. People pride themselves on having no life, no hobbies, no joy, and no sleep. Half the office is taking Adderal or Zanax, another half takes both. It is hard to judge them, you do what you got to do to survive. Expected work availability - 24/7. Don't you dare take a nap! "This is Weil, not some job in the Midwest” - might be an actual quote from a partner. You billed less than 50 hours last week? You are so lazy, here is another doc review project, make sure you keeping your numbers up. Oh, you billed more than 50 last week. LAZY! If you below 70, you still have time. Feedback? Typically none, but sometimes you will get screamed at for making the smallest mistake. Diversity? Haha. That's a great one. For Pride Month, they changed a logo to a rainbow. That’s enough, right? Right? Mentoring? What mentoring? I got a lunch with my mentor once, six other people were also present. Discussion evolved around TV shows that aired before I was born."

What are peoples thoughts on this @Jaysen ?
 
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There's a few direct TC deadlines coming up and I was hoping to have some legal work experience to include but coronavirus has ruined my plans. I didn't secure any vac schemes this cycle so was hoping to make up for it! Hope its still worth applying, I know my applications really need strengthening with more relevant experience but its a little difficult to do in the middle of a pandemic. Hope everyone is as well as possible.
 
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I just read this online from an trainee/associate who wrote about their experience at Weil: "Partners appear to have almost a sadistic desire to make associates' life as miserable as possible. An email with a huge and boring assignment sent on Friday night is not an exception, it is the rule. Frankly, if you don't get one, make sure to refresh your browser, it is definitely in your mailbox already waiting for you. Weekends? What weekends? Weekends are just the days when you can do document review from the comfort of your own couch instead of super bad office chairs. Interesting work? Fascinating cases? What a joke. For the first two years, you will be doing doc review day in and day out with no end in sight. Culture? Culture is toxic. People pride themselves on having no life, no hobbies, no joy, and no sleep. Half the office is taking Adderal or Zanax, another half takes both. It is hard to judge them, you do what you got to do to survive. Expected work availability - 24/7. Don't you dare take a nap! "This is Weil, not some job in the Midwest” - might be an actual quote from a partner. You billed less than 50 hours last week? You are so lazy, here is another doc review project, make sure you keeping your numbers up. Oh, you billed more than 50 last week. LAZY! If you below 70, you still have time. Feedback? Typically none, but sometimes you will get screamed at for making the smallest mistake. Diversity? Haha. That's a great one. For Pride Month, they changed a logo to a rainbow. That’s enough, right? Right? Mentoring? What mentoring? I got a lunch with my mentor once, six other people were also present. Discussion evolved around TV shows that aired before I was born."

What are peoples thoughts on this @Jaysen ?

I am assuming this was

1) anonymous
2) on something like Legal Cheek
3) sounds like it was written by someone in the US anyway (so won’t be a trainee).
 
I just read this online from an trainee/associate who wrote about their experience at Weil: "Partners appear to have almost a sadistic desire to make associates' life as miserable as possible. An email with a huge and boring assignment sent on Friday night is not an exception, it is the rule. Frankly, if you don't get one, make sure to refresh your browser, it is definitely in your mailbox already waiting for you. Weekends? What weekends? Weekends are just the days when you can do document review from the comfort of your own couch instead of super bad office chairs. Interesting work? Fascinating cases? What a joke. For the first two years, you will be doing doc review day in and day out with no end in sight. Culture? Culture is toxic. People pride themselves on having no life, no hobbies, no joy, and no sleep. Half the office is taking Adderal or Zanax, another half takes both. It is hard to judge them, you do what you got to do to survive. Expected work availability - 24/7. Don't you dare take a nap! "This is Weil, not some job in the Midwest” - might be an actual quote from a partner. You billed less than 50 hours last week? You are so lazy, here is another doc review project, make sure you keeping your numbers up. Oh, you billed more than 50 last week. LAZY! If you below 70, you still have time. Feedback? Typically none, but sometimes you will get screamed at for making the smallest mistake. Diversity? Haha. That's a great one. For Pride Month, they changed a logo to a rainbow. That’s enough, right? Right? Mentoring? What mentoring? I got a lunch with my mentor once, six other people were also present. Discussion evolved around TV shows that aired before I was born."

What are peoples thoughts on this @Jaysen ?

I wasn't at Weil that long, so I can't say I'm best able to give you an account of what the full training contract is like, but based on my experiences:
  • Hours really depend on which department you're in and how busy it is. Some departments will require trainees to work very long hours and weekends at times, while others you could be out by 6/7.
  • You won't just be doing doc review for two years and it's not a rule that'll you'll get assignments on a Friday - that's just false.
  • Your experiences are very much influenced by what your supervisors are like.
  • People work hard but they don't pride themselves in having no life.
The account is obviously a particularly bitter trainee/associate making a lot of exaggerated points, but I do think it's worth highlighting that being a trainee is not always that great. At these kinds of firms, you will be expected to work long hours and be available when you're needed. If you do end up with a terrible supervisor, then yes, your 6 months seat will be horrid. And firms have a long way to go in terms of diversity. I don't think any of this is that unique to Weil though; it'll be the same for similar firms.

It's also always worth exploring for yourself because, for many, the huge benefits that come with this kind of career > the costs. Plus it's also just so subjective and variable.
 
I was planning to either convert my spring vacation scheme into a TC ideally or, at the very least, have two weeks' work experience at a City law firm to put on my direct TC applications. Of course, the current situation means that the spring scheme has been postponed until (most likely) after most TC deadlines have passed.

With that in mind, think it's acceptable to write 'X firm - Spring Vacation Scheme (postponed)' in the work experience section of a direct TC application? If so, does it even add value to an application?

I imagine lots of others are in a similar situation - best of luck to everybody and I hope everything works out for you all :)
 
I was planning to either convert my spring vacation scheme into a TC ideally or, at the very least, have two weeks' work experience at a City law firm to put on my direct TC applications. Of course, the current situation means that the spring scheme has been postponed until (most likely) after most TC deadlines have passed.

With that in mind, think it's acceptable to write 'X firm - Spring Vacation Scheme (postponed)' in the work experience section of a direct TC application? If so, does it even add value to an application?

I imagine lots of others are in a similar situation - best of luck to everybody and I hope everything works out for you all :)
I don’t see the harm in doing this at all :) I know people who have put on incoming vacs and work experiences before so I think it works in much the same way. I don’t think you have anything to lose in adding it and I think I would do so in the circumstances as well :)
 
I was planning to either convert my spring vacation scheme into a TC ideally or, at the very least, have two weeks' work experience at a City law firm to put on my direct TC applications. Of course, the current situation means that the spring scheme has been postponed until (most likely) after most TC deadlines have passed.

With that in mind, think it's acceptable to write 'X firm - Spring Vacation Scheme (postponed)' in the work experience section of a direct TC application? If so, does it even add value to an application?

I imagine lots of others are in a similar situation - best of luck to everybody and I hope everything works out for you all :)

I wouldn’t put it in a work experience section if it is at the cost of another more interesting entry that could show your experience and skills. I would put it in any extra information section
 
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