Work Experience - How far back is it acceptable to go?

Hi everyone,

Just wondering - how far back is it acceptable to go when discussing work experience, extra curricular etc in application questions. I'm a little worried as I've been told 12- 18 months max. I graduated a few years ago and I've been in full time employment for just over a year and volunteer on weekends, so those are the majority of my experiences the past 12 months or so. Any insight appreciated, thanks :D

Training contract journey of an international student

Dear all,
My name is Soliha. I am a final year international student reading law at the University of Law. I am not from the pool of students who always wanted to be a commercial lawyer. I have tried my way to many career paths: tutoring, human rights, charity, business, medicine, etc. In my final year at high school in my country, I was fortunate to join the mooting club to prepare for P.Jessup International Moot. I loved the process: extracting the relevant law from volumes of acts/regulations/cases, working on it and presenting it. This was the key experience for me to decide to be a lawyer.

I am from a developing country. The legal system in my country is quite different. I had no idea that the career routes are divided into Barrister and Solicitor routes in the UK and many other countries. In my first year, I did lots of research, read Chambers, attended events, became a finalist in intercollegiate mooting in London, represented international students at the Students Association. I was very late when I found out that there are many opportunities for first-year students: insight days, open days, organisations that offer networking opportunities, mainly because I had no acquaintance in the legal industry. It took me a while to understand the recruitment process and how the City works (I am still working on this bit). I did an internship at Amnesty International in the summer and understood that human rights/NGO work is not for me.

In my second year, I started my first cycle of applications. I attended more events (Legal Cheek events, insight evenings), participated in the Commercial Awareness Competition (made to Round 3), did some more mooting and talked to barristers. With the insight I got from them, I made sure that I did not want to be a barrister. I received support from Strive Consultants to improve my commercial awareness and my understanding of the city. My mentor helped me a lot to get where I am now. I made six vac scheme applications and failed at the application stage or online assessment stages. (I have confidence issues in my writing and application techniques)

Now here I am. Being offered TCLA scholarship, I feel much more confident than the previous year. I will be posting updates here. Good luck to everyone.

Researching law firms

When researching a firm am I supposed to make notes on everything that is on the website or should I research according to the question being asked and the answers I want give. i.e. research further on a deal to back up a point ?

I am struggling to find information in relation to deals and cases for a particular law firm on their because it is not clearly displayed on their website. Can you advise on other web links I can use that are free ?

Work Experience Sector

I have a question concerning the work experience sector in training contract application forms. When it says details, does that mean what I did while at the job or also the skills and competencies that I have developed from that. When the application is already asking in another section my key competencies the logical conclusion is that details does not include the skills gained. But what if the application does not ask about my competencies anywhere else. Is 'details' under the work experience sector the place to include them?

Legal 500 - 2020 Rankings

Thanks to @Lumree for flagging this up.

Legal 500 recently released their UK 2020 rankings: http://www.legal500.com/assets/pages/united-kingdom/uk.html. Many of you will be familiar with the site, but if you aren't already, they're quite a useful way of researching a firm's practice area strengths.

For example, you can see Jones Day's London office is ranked tier 1 or 2 for the likes of mid market private equity, fraud and real estate funds: https://www.legal500.com/firms/50505-jones-day/9065-london-england.

Note, just because a firm has a lower tier ranking in a practice area, it doesn't necessarily mean that that area is not a strength or core practice area. You can read about their ranking methodology here: https://www.legal500.com/assets/pages/about-us/how-it-works.html.

You can also use it to find notable lawyers, and a firm's key clients and recent deals.

e.g. Simmons & Simmons

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http://www.legal500.com/firms/3058-simmons-simmons/476-london

That's very useful; although as always, if this is something you want to mention in your application forms, think about why you are mentioning a client or deal. If you're using it to back up a point you are making and it flows with the rest of the application then that's usually fine. It's not fine if you're mentioning a random deal and it's not clear why it's there.

If you use Legal 500/have any tips to share on using it, feel free to include them below. It has been a while since I've personally used it!

The Hunt for a Training Contract: Take Three

Hey everyone,

I thought maybe this would be a good place to get some initial thoughts down, perhaps ground myself a little as I prepare for what is sure to be quite a whirlwind of a journey.

A little bit about me. I graduated from a Russel Group university in 2015 with a 2:1, and to be quite honest I don't think I was too sure I knew what I was doing. I wanted a career in Law and shot off some poorly-written applications in a desperation to make it look like I knew what I was doing, since everyone else seemed to.. yeah, I know. The reality was that I had zero confidence and my individual grades weren't that great (plenty of 2:2s, couple of 3rds and even did a couple of resits...). I'd held a weekend job throughout uni and done some pro-bono at the legal advice centre but all I had drilled into my head was that my less-than-stellar grades would get me nowhere. That was cycle one down the drain.

I ended up taking a gap year for several reasons but during that time ended up doing a 9-month stint in the DWP. I gained a lot of skills, but felt I wanted to develop a career in Law further and took the leap in doing the LPC without a TC offer. I hadn't made applications because, well... my work experience wasn't fantastic and again it was the notion that my grades would lead me nowhere.

LPC done and dusted in 2017 (with a plethora of resits due to certain circumstances that I've been told probably will not count as mitigating circumstances) and I found myself working at a high street firm for a few months. I had attended a few open days and what is now lawcareers.netLIVE and decided that working at a high street firm most certainly was not for me. I made a few applications during this time, made it to the VI stage at one firm and interview at another, as well as an AC for an in-house TC (the furthest I've ever been!) but no light at the end of the tunnel that is the TC, unfortunately. I also started volunteering at my local library, undertaking projects and sessions for children - I still volunteer there most Saturdays. Unfortunately that was my second cycle without any luck.

All the while I remained on the job hunt, feeling that some paralegal work may boost me. It took me quite a few months, but I ended up as a legal assistant at a conveyancing firm where I've been for the past year.

So... why a TC now? Why am I doing this? Is there a point? Will I be a suitable candidate?

Yes, my grades aren't brilliant despite having the 2:1. My work experience may be classed as average and my extra-curriculars... meh? But I think that's the problem. I never had the confidence to push myself or go further. I had (and sometimes still have) this notion that my grades and experience means that any recruiter will just stop reading at that point and throw my application away. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it happens and I'm sure these are points for concern for recruiters. But how can I know without even trying?

I can't change my grades and I can't change the experiences I've had, and being in full-time employment can make attending events/gaining other experiences somewhat challenging. But what I can do is try to sell myself better. I mentioned above that I never had the confidence to push myself and now I feel like that really showed in my application. I've gained a lot of skills from various experiences and I've learnt a lot. I've learnt more about what I actually want and what kind of firm I want to work at. This time I want to make the effort to actually talk to people, work on myself and really improve the way I write applications. I want to give myself every opportunity and every edge I can gain in selling myself to recruiters. And if I fail to get a TC this cycle, no worries. Onwards and upwards. I'll learn from my experiences and keep pushing forward.

This is way longer than it should be already, but perhaps this is a way of keeping myself accountable as well. Maybe I'm trying to gain further confidence because I always worry too much of what others are thinking and whether it's really worth it. I want a TC, I really do, but without making a sincere effort I will go nowhere. It's up to me to give it a best shot and maybe this third cycle will be a bit more successful.

If you read this far... thanks, I very much appreciate it. If anyone has any tips in respect of confidence/speaking confidently that will be very much appreciated. I'll try to update going forward. I'm currently researching law firms and trying to prepare some questions to ask at the law fair I will be attending :)

Let us follow your Training Contract Journey!

Hi All,

You may have just seen this new section of the forum pop up. It's an opportunity for you to introduce yourself and let us follow along your training contract journey. You might also find this a good way to motivate yourself to work on specific things in the application process.

Anyone can create a thread in this forum and post as frequently as they wish. You might want to include what you're working towards at the moment, how you're feeling at different stages of the process and your goals for the future. You could also share anything you've come across that you've found useful and/or any setbacks you've faced.

There's no pressure in these threads - these threads are yours, so feel free to only share what you feel comfortable sharing. Likewise, you are very welcome to stay anonymous.

We’ll be reading these threads, so feel free to make clear anything you’re stuck on at the moment, and we can try to send some advice/guidance your way.

I look forward to reading your stories!

Best,

Jaysen

My First Round of Training Contract Applications...

Hi everyone,

I have been a bit of an avid stalker of TCLA since last year when I realised that there are so many people going through the same experiences simultaneously; so have found the forums to be such an interesting read.

I have received the TCLA scholarship this year which I am so grateful for and wanted to share my experiences through my first round of TC applications as I am sure I am about to embark on a rollercoaster of emotions!

26/09/2019 my journey begins!!

I am excited and overwhelmed that I received the TCLA scholarship. Being recognised for my potential by the TCLA team has motivated me and I feel like I can enter this application season with confidence. I study Politics and International Relations at the University of Exeter and I am planning to apply for vacation schemes. I will be posting about my journey, my ups and downs, my failures and my successes. So join me on this epic journey and let's see where it leads us.

We're teaching daily commercial awareness on Instagram!

Hey everyone,

We've started teaching daily commercial awareness on Instagram. You can give us a follow here: https://www.instagram.com/thecorporatelawacademy/.

If you don't have Instagram, don't worry - I'll start including these posts in our emails:

Here's a sample of our latest post:

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Imagine you own a company.

You need money to fund your day-to-day needs and any investments you want to make.

Sometimes, you can fund those things from the profits your business generates. But what if you're not making enough profit?

You need to raise money.

If you're a company and you want to raise money, you have two primary options: equity finance and debt finance.

Equity finance means selling shares in your business to raise money.

Debt finance means raising money through borrowing. That's how we get to bonds. Bonds are an example of debt finance. In other words, they're an instrument to help you raise money through borrowing.

If you want to raise money using bonds, you can sell bonds to investors. We call this ‘issuing bonds’ and we call you the ‘issuer’.

Investors buy these bonds for a particular sum of money. So by issuing bonds, you are raising the money you need for your business.

In return for buying a bond, you promise to pay investors regular interest payments over a period of time. At the end of that period of time, you pay the investors their original sum back (the money they paid for the bond). We call this repayment date, the 'maturity date'. We call the original sum, the 'principal'.

Why would an investor want to invest in your bonds?

Well, they want to make money. Buying bonds from your company means they get to receive interest payments, in addition to the money they lent you in the first place.

They do have to take on the risk though. They need to judge that your company won't go bust. If you do go bust and fail to make a payment, we call this a default.

Note, companies aren't the only ones that issue bonds. Governments do too.

We call UK government bonds 'gilts' and US government bonds 'treasuries'.

Government are typically seen as a much safer investment. Companies could go bust, but it's less likely a government will. You can, however, look at examples in history when government defaulted or were at risk of defaulting.

Effects of ESG investing on emerging markets practices

Hi, with the interest of influential investors in upholding social values through their investment activities- I was wondering this might affect law firms and their sovereign debt and Emerging markets practice?

I found this interesting article in the FT https://www.ft.com/content/fca9efd0-fa3a-39a1-b618-213f9a568d12

Would be interested to know what everyone thinks

@Jaysen

Pinsent Masons Application 2019/20

Hi guys, I'm finding this website incredibly useful so thought I'd get involved in the forum!

For anyone applying for the Pinsent Masons vacation scheme, the word limit for the application questions is 4000 characters, which is pretty long (I've just written 647 words which is 3876 characters)!

Would people recommend staying well clear of this word limit even if one could comfortably get near it? Is it realistic to try and be concise at this word count?

BTW the questions are:
What are your main spare time interests?
Describe your greatest non-academic achievement of the last two years and why this achievement is important to you.
Please explain why you have decided to pursue a career in commercial law.
Please explain why you are applying to Pinsent Masons.
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TCLA Brand Ambassador - 2019/20

Hi All,

We've decided to open up applications to become a TCLA Brand Ambassador: https://forms.gle/yETz6zTXJEAvzpYp7. The deadline is 4 October 2019.

The purpose of the role will be to help raise awareness of TCLA within your university over the 2019-20 academic year. It's mostly a remote role, but we'll be looking to do an event at your university in 2020.

This role is open to law and non-law students in all years of university study. A maximum of two positions are available per university.

Why become a TCLA Brand Ambassador?
  • You will be paid £200
  • You will receive a year subscription to TCLA Premium (valued at £269)
  • You will work closely with the founding team
  • You will gain access to a private forum for team discussions
  • You will build valuable marketing skills and be able to showcase your role in your applications to law firms
What will your responsibilities be?
  • Identify marketing opportunities for your university
  • Lead a social media campaign for TCLA @ your university and share regular content
  • Organise a speaking event at your university (in 2020)
  • Suggest ideas to spread TCLA across your university
Who are we looking for?

We want brand ambassadors who understand our mission and are passionate about what we're trying to do at TCLA.

You'll have an entrepreneurial mindset. We want someone who is ambitious and isn't afraid to think outside the box.

You'll understand how to engage aspiring lawyers at your university online and offline and you'll always be looking for new opportunities. You'll have the drive to regularly post social media content and we'll be able to trust you to work independently.
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