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Has anyone worked for a top firm as a paralegal? And if so, has this helped you with TC/VS applications?

I have heard that with some firms, it is hard to go from being a paralegal to a TC/not a thing? And also, would it hurt your chances with other firms to work at one firm as a paralegal but not get a TC?

Any insight would be so helpful!

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Has anyone worked for a top firm as a paralegal? And if so, has this helped you with TC/VS applications?

I have heard that with some firms, it is hard to go from being a paralegal to a TC/not a thing? And also, would it hurt your chances with other firms to work at one firm as a paralegal but not get a TC?

Any insight would be so helpful!

@Jessica Booker
In far more cases than not it will help your application. It might help less with VS applications, especially if you are not eligible for the programmes (where you have graduated) or if there can be concerns of conflict of interests checks (in many cases you maot be able to work for a competitor if you are employed by another).

In days of old there used to be an attitude in some firms that many who did paralegal work wouldn’t have the skills/attributes to go on to get a TC. There was a bit of an attitude of “why haven’t got a TC by now”. But I think that attitude has diminished a lot, especially given firms attitudes to diversity and also their want of finding people who are resilient enough to work in their demanding environment. Finding someone who has seen a similar inside workings of a firm can be a huge benefit, especially when you see the realities of the firm rather than a vacation scheme when often the true environment isn’t really shown.

There may still be some firms who are a bit sniffy about those who have done paralegal work. I would expect them to be in a small minority though these days.

It was a while back now so it may no longer be the case, but I am pretty sure Hogan Lovells (might have been HSF) had a policy of not allowing their own paralegals apply for TCs. Other firms might have internal policies about paralegals applying for TCs. At one firm I worked at, paralegals had to have at least six months experience (and a performance review) and an endorsement from a partner, otherwise they were just treated like an external applicant.
 
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    Hello! Was just wondering everyone's opinion on what areas of law are growing outside of cyber? And any that are shrinking? Thanks!

    Family and Employment lawyers are absolutely cleaning it up right now. Sanctions law is also becoming a very hot topic as they have become the US, UK and EU's weapon of choice for punishing people, companies and governments that do things they don't like.
     
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    In far more cases than not it will help your application. It might help less with VS applications, especially if you are not eligible for the programmes (where you have graduated) or if there can be concerns of conflict of interests checks (in many cases you maot be able to work for a competitor if you are employed by another).

    In days of old there used to be an attitude in some firms that many who did paralegal work wouldn’t have the skills/attributes to go on to get a TC. There was a bit of an attitude of “why haven’t got a TC by now”. But I think that attitude has diminished a lot, especially given firms attitudes to diversity and also their want of finding people who are resilient enough to work in their demanding environment. Finding someone who has seen a similar inside workings of a firm can be a huge benefit, especially when you see the realities of the firm rather than a vacation scheme when often the true environment isn’t really shown.

    There may still be some firms who are a bit sniffy about those who have done paralegal work. I would expect them to be in a small minority though these days.

    It was a while back now so it may no longer be the case, but I am pretty sure Hogan Lovells (might have been HSF) had a policy of not allowing their own paralegals apply for TCs. Other firms might have internal policies about paralegals applying for TCs. At one firm I worked at, paralegals had to have at least six months experience (and a performance review) and an endorsement from a partner, otherwise they were just treated like an external applicant.
    Its not hogan lovells. I met several senior associates during my vacation scheme who were originally paralegals at the firm. Hsf allows their paralegals to apply for TCs as well.
     

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    Its not hogan lovells. I met several senior associates during my vacation scheme who were originally paralegals at the firm. Hsf allows their paralegals to apply for TCs as well.
    As I said, it was some time ago that the policy was in place. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was no longer there, as it was a bit of an odd policy in the first place.
     

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    Hello! Was just wondering everyone's opinion on what areas of law are growing outside of cyber? And any that are shrinking? Thanks!

    Expanding - environmental law, competition law, and tax law (latter two mostly because of Big Tech - linked you to the discussions me and Jacob have had on it in the past!)
     
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    Anyone who has studied consumer and commercial law, what case law is there for distance-selling and e-commerce? Atm the only case I have is Neocleous v Rees but I'm really struggling to find other cases. If anyone has any knowledge on this, it would be very much appreciated!! 😁
     

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    Not law firm related but I just received an offer for a policy adviser role at the civil service. Does anyone know *roughly* how long pre-employment checks take? I know I have to do counter terrorist checks but it would be nice to know when I can hand in my notice!
    Know this from experience recruiting for this role. Anywhere between 3 weeks to 3 months depending on your personal details. The more checks they have to make for you, the longer it can take.
     
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    Know this from experience recruiting for this role. Anywhere between 3 weeks to 3 months depending on your personal details. The more checks they have to make for you, the longer it can take.
    Thank you Jessica, I already work at the CS so I do know it takes a while but I'm still hoping its the shorter of the two! I know the team manager said she would try and speed up the process so fingers crossed!
     

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    Thank you Jessica, I already work at the CS so I do know it takes a while but I'm still hoping its the shorter of the two! I know the team manager said she would try and speed up the process so fingers crossed!
    I doubt your team manager will be able to do much to be honest. It’s usually down to how quick the information can be provided by those you need to request it from. However, if you have already been on boarded by the CS in some capacity, I would expect it to be much quicker.
     
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    Not law firm related but I just received an offer for a policy adviser role at the civil service. Does anyone know *roughly* how long pre-employment checks take? I know I have to do counter terrorist checks but it would be nice to know when I can hand in my notice!
    Mine took quite a while as I didn't have any of the specific bills they requested on the list. Maybe between 1-2 months.
     
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    Not law firm related but I just received an offer for a policy adviser role at the civil service. Does anyone know *roughly* how long pre-employment checks take? I know I have to do counter terrorist checks but it would be nice to know when I can hand in my notice!
    PMing you now
     

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    Hi everyone. I was just wondering if anyone has any advice on how to get started preparing commercial awareness for final tc interviews. I have no idea where to start or how to gather information or on what topics. Do you look at what is relevant to the firm? Does it matter if it's a topic which is talked about a lot? Just any help with regards to how to prepare or where to look because at the moment I'm just listening to podcasts with business news but don't feel like I have in depth knowledge of a particular theme. Thank you!!
     
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